quote:Originally posted by darkwing_duck1: I for one LOVE your change to the Scout/Destroyer. If you WERE to do more views of any of these, might I advocate for that one? it is a significantly different look than available anywhere else and I'd love to see it fleshed out into full orthos!
Ravenstar Studios make a design that's fairly simlar to the above Hermes. It's called Federation Scout.
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This is my modification here... U.S.S. STAR UNION
Replaced to my 140m - Phase II saucer. And added small rear sensor between the aft torp tubes, the phaser cannons or the tractor beam emitters.... below the shuttle bay.
How about this, Masao?
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Masaki: I like the way that the larger saucer goes right along with the "bigger" feel of the Federation. That being said, the shuttlebay with a deflector/sensor/whatever you want to call it mounted underneath it looks...weird. I'd keep the rear mounted dish, and scratch the shuttlebay. It keeps with the feel of the original Federation design, but gets rid of the design elements I've disliked for years.
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I don't know, Masaki. As I said, I still want this ship to reflect TOS design elements. The new primary hull makes the ship look too sleek and modern. I think I'll just fatten the flat part of the primary hull a bit.
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Masaki: flip the secondary hull around, and you're almost back to the original design
I've been thinking. What about omitting the deflector dish altogether from the Hermes/Saladin? I think the current mini-dish spoils the original design a bit. Or perhaps some sort of deflector on the saucer?
quote:Originally posted by Masao: I don't know, Masaki. As I said, I still want this ship to reflect TOS design elements. The new primary hull makes the ship look too sleek and modern. I think I'll just fatten the flat part of the primary hull a bit.
I also fattened up the primary hull, the lower half is upside-downed Constitution's upper half.
And I added the small fore deflector and the tractor beam emitter (starboard side). I also reduced the rear sensor.
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Masao, I love that new saucer configuration!
One suggestion... why not make the saucer diameter a little bigger to match the size of the TMP saucer? A bigger diameter hull would offset the increased thickness a little bit, while not make it quite so ugly.
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That primary hull design of having a "B/C" deck on the bottom is very close to what I've considered for a TOS Movie Era cousin to the Federation DN line. My thinking was to make a DN with a shuttlebay in that "VIP Lounge" area so that in case of saucer separation, there's a small shuttlebay on the "lifeboat" portion. I had also considered something similar for a dual-nacelled scout design. Not terribly original on my part, but something I think I'd like to do for a model.
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Masao: Actually, the Federation with a standard bridge module is looking pretty good to me now. I like the latest update but perhaps a slightly larger diameter would make it look a little less, well, fat?
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I finally opened up my copy of the SFTM to get a look at the original schematics. I had been working from another fan interpretation at Starship Schematics Database (shame!). Anyway, the specs provided say that the primary hull of Federation is 140 m in diameter versus 127 for Constitution, so it looks as if I will be increasing the diameter of the primary hull by 10%. I'll post an update soon.
Masaki: I don't think that double bridge module is going to work. I wanted to get away from the top and bottom symmetry of the original FJ design, but the double bridge actually brings my design closer!
Also, those small dishes beside the man deflector dish probably won't work because the pieces now beside the main deflector are very flat.
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http://lobotomy.pleh.net/~flareupload/uploads/232/Federation3.jpg I widened the top mound and the central disc 10%, which would increase primary hull diameter from 127 m to 140, as specified by FJ. Notice that the central disc in the original is actually quite thin, the same as in Constitution.
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Masao, you might want to look at the end of the book where it talks about the parts of the nacelle. Honestly, it does not matter where the Control Reactor and Flux Chillers are in relation to the other nacelles, but it is nice to a have a balanced look and you have that. I would have never thought of orienting those external machinery that way.
Talk about "thinking outside the box". Good job I always like new ways of looking a something that could never be oriented that way. I also believe that starhipschemtics also has the version of the Federation with the Control Reactor/Flux Chiller assembly pointed outward on the top nacelle.
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