quote:Originally posted by Reverend: Some notes on Minuteman's map:-
If you make the grid 20x20 squares then you won't need a pixel-to-light year scale bar.
I originally made the map so that it was relatively close to Mark's original size -- mainly for ease of conversion, but also so that it could (mostly) appear on one screen, without the need for much scrolling.
And I'd probably put in a scale bar even if it was a relatively round number, just for reference.
quote:Assuming you're using Mandel's star charts as reference then you might have missed the fact that the Azure nebula does cross the Klingon/Federation border. Which is probably why Sulu attempted to use it to sneak across the border and why Kang was in there waiting.
Yeah, I did base the map on that sector from "Star Charts." I figure that given the level of conflict between the UFP and the Klingons, some shift in the border almost *had* to have happened. That's actually why I put that minor star system in there -- because by the movie era, that system will be in Federation hands (according to my conjecture). Basically it becomes a focal point for the balance of power, where both sides have some advantage from the nebula.
quote:I take it that you're assuming that the Epsilon monitoring stations are fairly new at the time of TMP and was not around during the TOS-era? Since once again Mandel's charts has #10 sat near the nebula (probably to keep an eye on the border) and I see you didn't include it on your map.
Yes, I figured that the Epsilon stations were probably new, meaning that the Admirals would have to revise their deployment patterns somewhat in order to protect the station. Stop it, you're giving away my material!
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I say 20x20 because a sector is 20 light years down the side, so one square would equal one light year. That's what I call ease of reference
quote: Yeah, I did base the map on that sector from "Star Charts." I figure that given the level of conflict between the UFP and the Klingons, some shift in the border almost *had* to have happened. That's actually why I put that minor star system in there -- because by the movie era, that system will be in Federation hands (according to my conjecture). Basically it becomes a focal point for the balance of power, where both sides have some advantage from the nebula.
Yeah, I can see now that the border is a different shape and it is after all disputed in this period.
quote: Yes, I figured that the Epsilon stations were probably new, meaning that the Admirals would have to revise their deployment patterns somewhat in order to protect the station. Stop it, you're giving away my material!
Maybe you should mark in the construction site then? Assuming they all have the same basic design as E-IX then they're quite substantial structures and would probably take some years to build. Especially in deep space where there is no convenient planet nearby from which to ship personnel and materials.
I know TOS SB numbers went up to 200, but I also think there's a distinct lack of chronological order evident there. Worse, in fact, than with starship registries. And the presence of a big starbases would wreak havoc with Dan's scenario, I presume...
So, when do we get to demolish Sector Zeta?
(Incidentally, there's at least one deviation from the "rough 2D" rule of the earlier Sector maps here: Jouret is significantly above the galactic plane, assuming the Borg beelined from (roughly) there via Wolf 359 to Earth. Not so significantly that it couldn't be within a cube whose bottom the map plane represents, though. But the distance from the center field to there is a bit longer than indicated by a 2D interpretation.)
Those TOS yellow-red-green displays never really showed mission-specific info. Pretty much all of them were giving statistics and diagnostics of the ships's systems. The real 'library computer' always showed maps, texts and diagrams as simple line-drawings and typewriter texts, usually cropped to the most interesting parts...
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quote:Originally posted by Harry: I just realized something..
Those TOS yellow-red-green displays never really showed mission-specific info. Pretty much all of them were giving statistics and diagnostics of the ships's systems. The real 'library computer' always showed maps, texts and diagrams as simple line-drawings and typewriter texts, usually cropped to the most interesting parts...
The same is basically true of the computer graphics in the Movies, at least until ST:IV. It's up to us to fill in the gaps.
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Of course, guys, the Romulan Neutral Zone display doesn't use Alternate Gothic! Geoff Mandel suggests that Futura was also used for some displays.
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The reality is that there wasn't any regularity in TOS displays. There were the static red-green-yellow-[very little blue] bridge displays, a bunch of orange-grey graphs, and those static 'scenery' displays in the bridge bulkheads.
All the other displays were simple sketches, typewriter texts and/or pages from books. The BoT map is also unique (although there was a similar-looking map (?) in the Corbomite episode).
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Here's my redraw of the Neutral Zone chart. The fonts are exact matches for the originals and are Futura Heavy (most of the text) and Futura Extra Black (for "neutral zone"). The fonts came with Corel Draw. http://lobotomy.pleh.net/~flareupload/uploads/232/NeutralZone2.jpg
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In the original NZ map - what is that scale... 5000 what? It couldn't be light years...
Light days? Light months? What is a parsec?
ALSO - the colour of the stars shown might help with positioning it on a real map!?!
To the left is a big red dot - similar to Romulus... does this perhaps represent an inhabited system - or the different colours corresponding to different sequences of stellar evolution?
The large red dot on the left might represent Aldebaran or Betelgeuse? Aldebaran is def red - is Betelgeuse though?
Remember The Romulan empire isn't far from Earth. Well, parts of it - I'm guessing this part. Possibly the reason for the delayed transmission in "The Defector" was that Galornden Core? Or where ever they were in that episode was on far reaches of the RSE.
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OK Romulus and Romii (Remus) people could never work out if they were twin stars or twin planets... I think cause of the symbol clutching the two planets - then they are planets.
The Earth outposts there were on asteroids were they not in BoT?
Could it be that at that point the Romulan Neutral Zone crossed through the Romulan system?? That would explain why there was a comet in BoT and also why the Romulans only used "simple impulse"!
5000 might be a scale of 5000 million km? or what ever number of zeroes makes it work for a solar system.
The Earth outposts were set up to monitor the Romulans after the Earth-Romulan war.
I'm not saying that by TNG the Neutral zone was that WIDTH - when you get out of the system it might expand out to light years. OR that the outposts were destroyed and the Neutral Zone was expanded to light-years after the events of BoT?
I mean the earth outposts maybe on Asteroids in a belt - or maybe even in the Oort cloud/Kuiper Belt of the system. (what's the difference by the way)?
So instead of assuming that this map is on the scale of light years it might be on the scale of the system or a very far out view of the system.
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From what we have seen in Enterprise - Earth outposts aren't very far out yet. So this would meld with Romulus not being too far away from Earth.
Remember in "Past Tense Part 1" - when the timeline had been changed - the closest settlements were by Romulans. They're lack of warp might also account for their non-contact of Vulcans and Humans... as well as being �ber xenophobic.
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A parsec is 3.26 LY. It's "the distance from Earth that a star or other astronomical object to be to shift its apparent position (due to parallax) by one degree of arc as Earth moves from once side of its orbit to the other." From "Star Trek Science Logs."
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