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Nawww... the Nebula-class is like the Jeep Grand Cherokee or Land Rover Discovery of Starfleet. The mission pod is like a roof rack.
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Bah! You and your Ambassadors! I look over at my bookcase as I post and what do I see THREE of these ships staring back at me! Madness I say!
Riker really should get a galaxy or a new class in the heavy cruiser range.
....and Wesley should be his helmsman.
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Didn't he say it was the most beautiful ship he'd ever seen?
That would suggest it was a brand new design, either one we haven't seen or a very new one like the Prometheus (which, being top secret, could have not been seen before by Riker, who has been out exploring and what not).
It would be a bit odd for Riker to tell Picard in his Sovereign that some old Galaxy or Nebula was more beautiful than his ship.
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Perhaps the design for the Endeavour from FC could be reworked to represent the Titon. It's a new ship design but not too big/flashy. I think it'd fit well
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quote:Originally posted by Phoenix: Didn't he say it was the most beautiful ship he'd ever seen?
That would suggest it was a brand new design, either one we haven't seen or a very new one like the Prometheus (which, being top secret, could have not been seen before by Riker, who has been out exploring and what not).
It would be a bit odd for Riker to tell Picard in his Sovereign that some old Galaxy or Nebula was more beautiful than his ship.
Not at all, something doesnt have to be *new* new to be the most beautiful ship he'd ever seen. I very easily could say that my *new* fire-red '67 Pontiac GTO was the most beautiful thing I had ever seen when I knew I was gonna take her home for the first time, because it was, despite being over 30 years old! All he was saying is that it *is* the most beautiful thing he had ever saw and nothing else can be really read into that.
If Riker had his heart set on a Galaxy and that is what he got, then certainly he would be proud of it. However, you have to admit, that by the name alone, Titan, that certainly fits into the Galaxy-classes "name 'em big" theme!
And dammit all, there is nothing wrong with the Ambassadors!! They are still like the 3rd largest SF vessel we have seen to date! All I'm asking for is a little Amby Resurrection!
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I don't think the name "Titan" necessarily indicates a large ship. I had assumed it was named after the moon. Other ships of the same class could have been USS Europa and USS Ganymede. Titan, though, is an easier name for audiences to understand.
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No the name Titan does not necessarily mean that Riker's new command is large. Plus Riker's pride and comments about the beauty of his ship does not necessarily mean that its new. You always have a special attachment to things that are yours.
I am thinking that the Titan is a large explorer because what position is Deanna Troi-Riker going to hold on the ship? My assumption is ship's counsellor, and in order to have a ship's consellor you need to have a lot of personnel aboard the starship, including multiple families, and you need multi-year exploration mission capability.
(We haven't encountered ship's counsellors on any ship other than the Galaxy and Sovereign-class Enterprise. We never found out what class of starship Ezri Dax's U.S.S. Destiny was. Does anybody know what class of ship the Destiny was?)
The Prometheus is too small and not designed for exploration missions. Where would they install the science labs? Plus I don't care if Prometheus was a titan, because other ships of different classes in Starfleet are named for titans.
Plus, having it named for a moon does not make it necessarily small either. Titan is 5,150 KM in diameter. Far larger than any Federation starship. Of course Titan's sister ships could be named for moons as well.
Riker was given the opportunity to command the U.S.S. Melbourne, and despite the DS9 episode, I still consider it to be a Nebulaclass vessel. So the Titan should be just as capable as a Nebula-class or better.
Because of Deanna, I don't see the ship as an Intrepid-class starship as well. I never thought that Voyager had a ship's counsellor in the pilot episode of Star Trek: Voyager. So I assume that the other Intrepid-class vessels also don't have this position as well.
Plus I don't understand why it makes a difference whether Admiral Ross and Dr. Bashir used an Intrepid-class U.S.S. Bellerophon to travel to Romulus. The Intrepid-class is a very fast class of starship and could get them out of harm's way very quickly if they were intercepted by Dominion forces. Plus the producers of DS9 didn't have to build new sets and could use the ones from Voyager to save money.
So after consideration of these facts, I am 99.99% certain that if they were to show the U.S.S. Titan in Star Trek: Nemesis she would be a large explorer.
I do like the idea of making the ship an Endeavour-class starship, provided that the design was a large explorer that was larger than the Ambassodor-class.
Any artists out there who want to tackle finishing Eaves' design?
Masao and Reverend, would you like to use your excellent drawing talents and take up this challenge? Perhaps either one of you could put your design on the ASDB or the Journal of Applied Treknology web sites?
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Proteus -- I very much look forward to seeing the fore, aft, and ventral views of your Titan design.
Futurama Guy -- If we ever do see the Ambassador-class again, I hope that they make a model of the original Andrew Probert design. I don't care for the cone-like secondary hull of the Greg Jein Enterprise C/Yamaguchi model or the design of the connecting strut between the primary and secondary hulls.
I really like the ellipitical secondary hull in Probert's design and in some of Rick Sternbach sketches and the Excelsior-like connecting pylon.
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Anyone have a quicklink to the Probert-Ambassador? I'm drawing a blank on that design.
Also, the origin of Titan has roots in Greek Mythology much like the: Bellerophon, Prometheus, Olympia, Pegasus, (among others)... and those occupy the classes of Nebula/Intrepid, Nebula/Prometheus, unknown, and Oberth classes. So far there hasn't been a proven 'naming-scheme'-per class (with a modest exception of the Galaxies) leaving the speculation of the Titans' class wide open.
Secondly, the name refers to the largest moon of Saturn, named from the Titan in Greek Mythology and the use of the term to indicate 'large', which no other ships, that I can think of, seem to follow.
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quote:Originally posted by Triton: Nawww... the Nebula-class is like the Jeep Grand Cherokee or Land Rover Discovery of Starfleet. The mission pod is like a roof rack.
A roof rack with more than twice the mass and volume of a Connie Refit! That's a lot of camping gear, pardner.
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In the upper left there is a scan of Andrew Probert's painting. I think this version of the Ambassador-class looks a lot stronger and durable because of its stouter appearance.
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