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"He is the one to bring balance to the Force".
What was unbalanced about it?
They said Luke was the one - but all he did was return the good-guys to power. Qui Gon thought it was Anakin - I think it is HIM - since he started to balance up the Jedi with the Sith.
Or was it that Anakin - tipped the scales too far - and Luke brought them back in line? The only remaining Jedi... was he a little bit of Sith and Jedi?
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There have been remarks that Skywalker's using force Grip on the gonorrhean guard at Jabba's palace was a bit unethical for a Jedi.
Later entries have said that though the force powers are different from one another in being offensive or defensive, both sides can use them at their discretion. I think all Jedi are trained to know the powers available to them, so they can control them. The Jedi might be dogmatic, ostracizing members that drift from the Way, but they are not stupid.
Yoda was able to send back Dooku's Lightning bolt in intact form to him, showing that he controlled it and could use it accurately. Also, Jedi Mind Trick has long been a typical "good power" but, as Senator Palpatine has eminently proven, the Sith know all about using calm, inoffensive stealth and guile to hide their existense.
As for balance of the force, since Windu seemed to quote the prophecy literally, it probably was a utopian dream of making the evil, or if we're to be neutral, the dissonance go away from the galactic force-pool and create peace.
The One would have been an emissary (Lucas probably had Jesus in mind) creating alliances, ending wars, bridging gaps and creating a benevolent equilibrium.
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Anakin WAS the imbalance, and the counterbalance.
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Or, perhaps (since the Jedi could no longer forsee events accurately due to the Dark Side), Palpatine and the rise of the Sith formed the imbalance, and Anakin was meant to bring them down to restore the balance.
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quote:Originally posted by Woodside Kid: Or, perhaps (since the Jedi could no longer forsee events accurately due to the Dark Side), Palpatine and the rise of the Sith formed the imbalance, and Anakin was meant to bring them down to restore the balance.
And he restores it when he kills Palpatine and dies in Ep.VI
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I have always thought of it as a retelling of the Arthurian story that has Merlin (Qui-Gon in this case, or Obi-Wan and the Jedi collectively) seeking out a prophesized knight, thinking it is Lancelot (Anakin) and ending up being mistaken. Lancelot caused more trouble than he solved because rather than stay true to his code he messed around with the Queen (Amidala). In fact, Lancelot's son Gallahad (Luke) ended up being the one Merlin was looking for.
The parallels are quite striking IMHO.
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For some reason I always thought that when Windu said the "Balance of Force" thing, he was talking about how the force was embalanced in a sense that Jedis could not use different Force Powers. By doing that Jedis will be able to control Sith powers and vice versa.
It might explain how Luke used the Grip (no pun intended) in ROTJ. As for Yoda, he was just powerful enough to deflect it, not conjur one up.
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well balance was achieved but very different than some Jedi assumed..
after all, after Ep 3, the only trained force users alive will be Kenobi, Yoda, Anakin and Palpatine..
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And during episode 1, we had two sith users, and hundreds of good Jedi.
Imbalance.
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Capt.Blair245: Yoda held the surge for a couple of moments, then sent it back with more power than Dooku initially created. I believe it showed that he at least was familiar with and controlled the technique and would not allow Dooku any leverage or, for that matter, the impression that he had passed beyond his former teacher's level. Which he had not.
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Well, if you want to take the EU into account, there were a WHOLE lot of Dark Jedi floating around the universe besides the four we know. But we don't want to.
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quote:Originally posted by Omega: Well, if you want to take the EU into account..
that kind of talk just made me throw up in my mouth by accident.
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As to Jedi bowing all kinds of force powers: Obi-Wan sure was'nt suprised to se the ol' Darkforce Lightning (not to be confused with the less powerful but more musical "Grease Lightning"). He was trained to block it with his sabre: no sweat there.
Lots of Jedi makes the galaxy as a whole galaxy turn seedy and evil to balance them out, Vader kills the Jedi and the whole Galaxy goes waaaay out of balance and slowly tilts back towards good with the next generation and the Rebel alliance and the return of a lone Jedi. Vader kills Sideous and croaks leaving Luke, Leia the New republic and a still scummy galaxy in balance with each other. Or Lucas is making shit up as he goes with no plan at all and hoping for the best.
It's also possible that fewer Sith are more powerful as indivduals than they'd be if there were dozens of them. Or they grow midichlorians on old cheese in their fridges....
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