I failed to write this down, so feel pretty bad. On top of that, I forgot which thread it was in, but I digress....
WTF was the reference to an Avenger/Miranda class ship named Intrepid? Was there a registry number included w/this information? Would appreciate someone straightenin' me out and givin' me the straight scoop on this, por favor.
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According to the script of Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home, there was a Miranda class Intrepid in dock that was supposed to be launched when the probe hit.
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nononononono actually according to the script there was a ship, class unknown, named the intrepid, in spacedock. spacedock contained the NX-2000, the NCC-1701-A, the Copernicus, and a Miranda-class vessel.
some imaginative fanboy said, 'does that mean the Intrepid was Miranda-class??' when in actuality the Miranda was probably labeled Saratoga and they probably just meant for the Intrepid to be some ship we didnt see
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Thanks thus far, fellas. I recall the mention of an Avenger/Miranda in the ST:IV Spacedock scene, but was thinking there were two that someone mentioned (gotta take better notes!), one refit Constitution and the [i]Oberth?
Also, wasn't there mention of an Intrepid on the "Operation: Retrieve" charts? And does anyone know of a link to a screen cap or complete list of the ships on the chart?
Is there a page which goes in to detailed analysis of either of these I mention above? A sorta "One Stop Shop" website...? I did a search on Bernd's EAS and didn't find a page for it, which is surprising given his general obsession in regards to such things. Figured if anyone had broached the subject it would have been him!
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quote:Originally posted by Griffworks: Also, wasn't there mention of an Intrepid on the "Operation: Retrieve" charts? And does anyone know of a link to a screen cap or complete list of the ships on the chart?
No mention so such a ship on that chart, and no...you speaketh of the Trek equivelant of the Holy Grail...
quote: Is there a page which goes in to detailed analysis of either of these I mention above? A sorta "One Stop Shop" website...? I did a search on Bernd's EAS and didn't find a page for it, which is surprising given his general obsession in regards to such things. Figured if anyone had broached the subject it would have been him!
Nope, there is a flare page or two that touches on it, but nothing super concrete is confirmed or agreed upon...
I will attempt to locate the link for you...
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quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: I will attempt to locate the link for you...
Y'know, I forgot all about the SEARCH Function here at Flare....
Searching now and finding some stuff. My apologies, as I hadn't intended anyone to do any major research. Just hoped that someone had a link handy to more direct info.
Regardless, thanks for any info you can provide! Appreciate it.
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The most relevant Operation Retrieve information cropped up in an unlikely thread so I can understand difficulties in locating it.
here is one such link. I know there is another one out there with better pictures, I saved them and would post them, but would rather leave that to the individuals who made them.
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quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike20X6: nononononono actually according to the script there was a ship, class unknown, named the intrepid, in spacedock. spacedock contained the NX-2000, the NCC-1701-A, the Copernicus, and a Miranda-class vessel.
some imaginative fanboy said, 'does that mean the Intrepid was Miranda-class??' when in actuality the Miranda was probably labeled Saratoga and they probably just meant for the Intrepid to be some ship we didnt see
I'm not sure that is completely true. The Miranda that was seen was in Spacedock just about the time the probe made it tehre. You can see it in the shadows, along with the Excelsior, at the time. The only two ships or portions of ships visible on screen at the time. Making it seem very likely, more-so than a Connie becuase they were not even visible until the end of the movie. This scene was sometime prior to the scene in the ops room where we see the SOS from the Shepard.
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Though just because we only saw the Excelsior and the Miranda class ship at that time doesn't mean those were the only two ships there at that time.
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yeah, logic dictates that just because you see a ship you can't decide for it to be the one they mentioned, i doubt the script people who wrote the intrepid line into the audio chatter had any effect on the FX peeps labeling or shooting any specific models..
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I'm not saying nor confirming that it is...but I can certainly see the point said 'fanboy' may have been trying to make (And I am not trying to make this another Discovery debate). To me, it seems rather convenient that they would have mentioned the Excelsior and Intrepid at roughly 0:17.50mins while showing the Excelsior..then roughly 15secs later they show the Miranda as the power gets cut.
0:18.02mins
0:18.04mins
Two plus two suggests a good chance that that could be the Intrepid, contrary to the debate that includes Connies that were not seen until the last scene of the movie over an hour past the 'to be' line, and even longer than that in 'Trek time'.
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Wow! I've never seen that particular screen-cap before. Thanks for posting that, FG. Much appreciated!
Don't guess you could show us screen-caps of the fly-by in Spacedock towards the end of the movie, could you?
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this brings us to common sense territory: would Starfleet make a dinky lil Miranda an Intrepid? seems like a definite demotion in stature, considering the name would be used later as an Excelsior and then for a prototype..
if we let wishful thinking get the best of us and assume that that ship must be the Intrepid due to elimination, then we have to ask.. does that even make sense?
this is pretty much bullshit.
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Personally, I don't have an opinion right now on the subject of whether the MIRANDA class (I still prefer the term AVENGER class, thank you very much!) seen in the two images above is actually Intrepid or not.
However, I don't see it as a "demotion" to give a MIRANDA class that name. And if you go with as objective as possible an analysis of that scene and any dialogue and the process of elimination does indeed indicate that the ship scene there is Intrepid, then what can you say? Wouldn't be "bullshit" so much as throwing objectivity out the door, IMO. And I'm not meanin' to bag on your, Cap'n, just giving my take on your commentary there.
Now, here's one to throw out there to get cut to ribbons and sautee'd by you lot: what if that Excelsior from the above scene is meant to be Intrepid, using the careful process of elimination given above, but using the actual shooting script? That could mean that the registry we're later given in TNG era by Okuda is incorrect or that there were two EXCELSIOR class ships named Intrepid at some point in time, right...?
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