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Well, it is in the tradition of star trek, if you consider the works of Franz Joseph who had a dreadnought with a third nacelle in his book. And there was a dreadnought (in the form of a baloon!) in the animated series...
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quote:Originally posted by Starship Freak: And there was a dreadnought (in the form of a baloon!) in the animated series...
A minor point, but IIRC it was only referred to as a dreadnought in the novelization by Alan Dean Foster, not in the actual episode "The Practical Joker," where it was an oversized replica of the Enterprise herself. However, the dreadnought Entente was referenced in the Epsilon IX comm chatter in The Motion Picture.
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And unfortunately, the diagram was for some reason removed from the bridgestations where we did see FJ:s other ships, saladin/hermes/ptolemy-class vessels. I wonder why they only removed the dreadnought?
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They didn't remove it. The diagram of the other ships were used, but it showed the dreadnought only as an outline. If one looked very closely, the outline can be made out. The diagram of the actual dreadnought wasn't used.
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I disagree. Looking at the screencap in question (See Ex Astris) it is impossible to see an outline. There is an obvious gap on the bridge monitor where a diagram of the dreadnought is seen i FJ:s book, but I do not see an outline at all. If you do, could you please post a pic? On all the ones I have seen, there are no obvious lines.
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This is very interesting, I didn't know Trek had Federation dreadnought concepts in past series/movies. An entire new class of ship, very appealing.
It looks very uparmored and ablative, wonder if it has any new types of weapons.
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If the roundbally thingy was from the dreadnought, perhaps that feature was the launchpad device?
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I'm curious, the one shot of the Even-More-Monsterprise enemy ship feels like a Frankenstein kitbash of a Sovvy, a E-C, and the Warped-Timeline Enterprise. Could this be some type of Universe jumping story?
I swear the next movie will have a ship the size of the Magog World-Ship.
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Well, hey, why wait until the 29th century (or whenever it was, can't be bothered to look... 26th?) to build something the size of the Enterprise-J?
So, since Abrams says "bigger is better", does this mean we'll see a solar system sized Death Star? Maybe a Super-Duper-Star-Destroyer? 4 meter long lightsabers for that ultimate in pallic one-upmanship?
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I want there to be a scene in the movie like this,describing the dreadnaught.
The dreadnaught is the largest Federation vessel ever constructed...15 million tribbles can fit inside its massive hull...armed with 20 phaser banks, 16 photon torpedo launchers, and 12 plot contivances...
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Who was it kept designing post-Next-Gen era Starfleet ships with hollow saucers (i.e. a ring)? Sternbach or Eaves? Because it looks like their wish has finally come true, sort of...
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This is supposedly the USS Vengence a name which really hammers home that Abrams completely missed the fucking point of Roddenberry's bright peaceful Federation- that mankind had outgrown his petty past and well, were peaceful EXPLORERS.
Are those ball-turretts on either side of the deflector or did some redneck slap some fake testicles on his ride to impress the ladies at Space-Walmart?
Yeah...not impressed. As someone at SSM pointed out, the ship was designed by Abrams. Sure there are designers and illustrators and whatever, but they ultimately show the director what they've got and then do whatever the director wants- John Eaves gave a talk at Wonderfest to this effect- that for Enterprise the art dept first submitted Deadalus type designs and they ended up with the Akiraprise.
I'd say "Dont blame the designer" but since we really saw no credit go to the designers in the first JJtrek movie, I guess that point is moot.
Since even the high res pic is VERY dark, here's a lightened version to show some more of the EVIL SHIP. You know it's EVIL since it's dark grey. http://i.imgur.com/x1pGCoa.jpg
That is one seriously ugly fucking design- worse than the worse FASA design...I mean, look at that secondary hull! Someone said it looks like a Michael Bay Decepticon design and IO have to agree.
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