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Jay the Obscure
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Cause we all know that when Little Dubya says something stupid he simply mispoke...

Bush, at a feel good photo-op/stopover at the Catholic Ascension School on 111th Street in South-Central Los Angeles quoted as saying:

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"I believe the best schools are those that are free from rules and regulations and bureaucracies, rules that sometimes thwart the goodwill and good hearts of teachers." Bush said that as president, he would create "an environment of freedom so collaborations such as this can coexist without fear of somebody saying, 'This isn't the way it's supposed to be.'"

So, what I suggest is that he get new speechwriters or speech coaches...cause we know he ain't dumb enough to say something that silly all by his lonesome.

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Jeff Raven
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Is that all you got?

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future." -- Albert Gore

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." -- Vice President Albert Gore
"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children." -- Vice President Albert Gore, 9/18/95

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." -- Vice President Al Gore

The New Yorker quoted from letters Gore sent to his father in the 1960�s saying that anti-communism was a "form of psychological ailment.... In this case, a national madness," leading the U.S. into "supporting fascist totalitarian regimes in the name of fighting totalitarianism ... For me the best example is the U.S. Army." -- November 28, 1994.

Gems

"Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child." -- Vice President Al Gore

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." -- Vice President Albert Gore to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93

Gore, stumping for Democrats in Minnesota, told a crowd, "They will be the education team that Missouri needs." - October 12, 1998.

Gore told Chicago Bulls fans: "That Michael Jackson is unbelievable, isn�t he?"

The Times of London reports that on meeting rock star Courtney Love at a Hollywood party, he told her "I�m a really big fan," but when she snapped, "Yeah right, name a song Al," he said "I can�t name a song." - October 1, 1998

"We all know the leopard can�t change his stripes." -- Al Gore(The Toronto Sun, 11/19/95)

In a speech in Milwaukee praising the city�s ethnic diversity, Gore said America "can be e pluribus unum. Out of one, many." The correct translation is "out of many, one." --January 6, 1994

In a tour of Monticello, Albert asked about a row of (sculpted) busts "Who are these people?" The New York Times explained that the curator of Monticello "helpfully identified the unfamiliar faces: �This is George Washington on the extreme right,� with Benjamin Franklin close behind. --January 17, 1993.

"I seek to restore the rule of law and respect for common sense to the White House." ..."Americans in every region and in both political parties have been shaken by the betrayal of public trust ... and the dishonesty of public officials." ... "Any government official who ... lies to the United States Congress will be fired immediately."---Albert Gore, the Seattle Times, June 29, 1987.

"(Clinton) will be regarded in the history books as one of our greatest presidents." Albert Gore, White House Post-Impeachment Love-In at the Rose Garden, December 19, 1998.

Act like you know. Politicians are expert at co-opting buzzwords but Al Gore's presidential campaign still needs to work a few bugs out of its system. algore2000.com, the campaign's Web site, launched this past Monday with an area entitled "Open Source." In it Gore promised users: "This is your website -- IT'S OPEN SOURCE -- and I want you to help us build it. Take a look at our source code. Send us your ideas on how to improve it, and build a better campaign Web site."

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."--- Albert Gore on CNN�s "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer" (March 9, 1999).

"Gore smiled and admitted that he, too, has trouble turning on a computer -- let alone using one." ---"Gore touts job-training programs at Pittsburgh factory" , Associated Press, September 4, 1998.

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Omega
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Jay:

Please enlighten me as to what exactly is so bad about this. I see nothing wrong with it. Perhaps he should have said "of bureaucracies" instead of "and bureaucracies", and maybe "exist" instead of "coexist", but exactly what difference does it make?

Here we have the fundamental difference. You attack our cantidate on the basis of extremely minor speech errors. We attack your cantidate on the basis of what he means, and what he proposes. I think we have the advantage here.

Again, the reporter (still looking for his name) still applies. Don't judge him by what he mistakenly says. Judge him by his ideas.

Jeff:

Hate to tell you this, but a number of those were apparently from Quayle, not Gore. The first four are. "Bondage" and "misstatements" are. Not sure about "e pluribus" or "Michael Jackson". Check the snopes website for more. Most of the rest are certainly Gore, though, and I'd place money on the few left.

"Any government official who ... lies to the United States Congress will be fired immediately."

*L*

Guess the leopard really CAN change his stripes.

And don't forget the made up numbers involving his mother-in-law and dog, his claims that he created the earned-income tax credit and strategic petrolium reserve, both of which were passed a full year before he was even elected, the "Love Story" and Love Canal lies, and the one where he claimed that he was sung to sleep as a child with a union song that wasn't written until he was 27.

And I feel like I'm forgeting one... oh, well...

Based on the premise that these are untrue claims (which you can't argue against with any credibility), I see four posibilities regarding this man, in no particular order.

A: He knows these things aren't true, and simply thinks we're too dumb to notice the lies. Not a good idea to elect someone who thinks you're stupid.

B: He knows these things aren't true, and simply can't help himself. Thus he would be a pathological liar. Again, not someone you want to elect.

C: He actually believes all this stuff, and is thus delusional. Yet again, not someone you want to elect.

D: He doesn't even know whether he's telling the truth or not, simply reading the speeches he's handed. This would require an extreme mental disability. And yet again, not someone you want to vote for.

Anything I missed?

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Sol System
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Um, many (most?) of those alleged Gore quotes have been attributed to Dan Q...u...y..? Uh, that guy.

Just sayin'.

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*beats Sol with a rubber duck*

Ahh, you posted while I was editing!

Anyway, not most. Just a few. The majority were actual Gore.

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Quyale? Oh, whatever.

Anyway, speaking of speeches, Bush recently promised to make math and science education a priority. Right on, I say.

But how much do you want to bet he doesn't include biology in that promise?

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So misquotes are OK so long as they don't outnumber the real ones? Lovely.

"Well, we did the nose...and the hat. But she's got a wart!"

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Omega
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And you would say this why? Biology is a science, last I checked...

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OK, for the reader, Sol and I are obviously online at the same time. You may have to place posts out of order for them to make sense. But under any circumstances, I have no clue what that last post is about...

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Jay the Obscure
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Just like I though would happen, it becomes an attack on Gore. Fascinating.

I said noting about Gore, Nader, Buchanan or anyone else or their dog running for president. Really quite interesing that rather than looking to what Bush has to say, you go after Gore.

And for your information Omega, it's the substance of his speach that I find insipid. I almost doubt you read the quote...of if you did try and understand what he's saying and where he's saying it...well, that would be a major shock to me. So again, let me spell it out for ya there Sparky.

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I believe the best schools are those that are free from rules and regulations...

No mispeach there. He didn't stumble over subliminal twice that time did he. Good for him. He's getting better...or better coaching.

So I'll ask the obvious question...since neither I nor anyone elese can really believe that...and those are the words out of Little Dubya's lips...what was he really trying to saying?

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I believe the best schools are those that are free from...bureaucracies.

Open lips, insert Dubya's words.

Free from bureaucracy? In front of a Catholic school?? Please, if the Catholic Church didn't actually invent bureaucracy then it almost certainly knew the person who did.

History - Nil
Dubya's personal version - 1

And and another question about bureaucracies for all you Bushaphiles out there...when does administration become bureaucracy?

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...an environment of freedom so collaborations such as this can coexist without fear of somebody saying, 'This isn't the way it's supposed to be.'

Somebody? Rather vague there isn't it? Who then is supposed to say it ain't the way it's supposed to be then when things ain't the way they are supposed to be?

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Do you chaps actually have a civil service? How does your (rather odd ) government actually function?

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Well, mostly the President just keeps putting quarters in the thing and pulling the handle.

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You guys need to get some ass.

Stop worrying about the fact that the people whom you're trying to make fun of are indeed only human, and therefore make mistakes.

"OOooohh....he used past tense in referring to the future! Hahahahaha motherfucking stupid bastard trying to run a fucking country!!! Cocksucker!!!"

"See that!!! He used not only one, but two double negatives, and pronounced his 's' funny!!!! Hhhahaha death to the elephants or donkeys or eagles or that fat guy with the moustache from the pringles carton!!!!"

Is it me, or is this just petty?

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Magnus: Does this mean we can pick on you too?

Omega: Gore said them too, actually. Or so the website I gleemed them from said.

Jay: Take things in context: "I believe the best schools are those that are free from rules and regulations and bureaucracies, rules that sometimes thwart the goodwill and good hearts of teachers."

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Jay the Obscure
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UM, you're danm right about that first part!

At any rate, I'm really not trying to be petty here. I'm just trying to figure out what Bush (sans little voices telling what he should say) thinks about some of the issues. Education is the one at hand.

I'm not bagging on the man because Little Dubya went to Yale and still has a very poor public speaking ability. Nope, not me cause we know that already. That don't make him bright, that don't make him dumb.

Again, I'm just pointing out, using his words which are the only ones I can go by here...that he thinks the best schools are "...free from rules and regulations and bureaucracies."

That's a heck of a policy.

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rules that sometimes thwart the goodwill and good hearts of teachers.

Taken into consideration, that's simply another politicaly vague meanlingless statement tacked on to something otherwise interesting.

I know that any discussion of Bush is quickly going to devolve into an attack on Gore, but what the heck..let's try it anyway.

Like it or not, when a president gets up and speaks in public, things will be taken litterly. It is therefore important what one says.

So, what is the take on Bush's Education stance?
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