Jay:

"Regarding education... [levels] such as?"

Anything involving decision-making by the federal government, for starters. Has absolutely nothing to do with educating kids, yet they can have control anyway.

"I want to know the rules we need to do away with[.]"

Well, some of the rules we need to do away with are the ones that the federal government can use to dictate what schools teach, as stated above. That's not the government's decision. ALL decisions regarding policy should be made on the local level, unless the school fails to perform under their control. Then the state should give it a go for a year or so. Under NO circumstances should the federal government have control.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
- George Bernard Shaw

I went to high school with several young ladies whose parents were teens themselves when they were born. Sex-ed is a fairly recent concept, and wasn't happening (in the area I live, anyway) 22 or so years ago.

The parents/moral thing is a *bunch of CRAP* (sorry, guys).

I've known Carla since middle school, her parents have been married (to each other) for thirty-some years, she's got two brothers, she goes to church every Sunday, gets straight "C's" in school, and she bangs two or three guys a week if she gets the chance.

Now, I also know another girl, my best friend, Emily ... her parents have been married and remarried so many times it takes her a whole day to tell someone whose she's related to and how. Her dad yells, her mom is never around, and she was a bit of a wild girl -- dropped out of school, partied ... but through all that, she's never drinken, done drugs, or had sex. She even got her GED and is at George Washington University in DC now as a pre-Med.

Sex-education is a good thing, because, quite frankly, while having "moral" parents (and, someone please define "moral?") may be a good thing, it's not going to decide how a person is going to act.

I believe sex education is a good thing , Having parents that can talk about this kind of stuff is a good thing but the majority of children dont have that , so either they get half or none of the story from their parents , who may or may not know the topic well , when my mother tried to have this talk with me she told me that aids could be trasnmitted by drinking at the same water fountain! I learned the truth later on in sex ed .

Or on teh other hand they can get the whole story from a trained professional who can deal with questions that will pop up.

Im 28 now and i know that when my children reach that age , I'm going to have a tough time talking about this with them. Of course I will make a good effort , maybe it will be easyer when they actually reach teh appropriate age :p Right now their 2 and 4 so im safe for a while

BTW : Put on a tshirt Jeff! *looks away from the web cam*

Secondly;

"but the majority of children dont have that(parents to talk to about sex)"

I dispute that. Many parents talk to their kids, and if they don't, they should. The best education a person can get is from their parents. I still stand by my original post(even though I deleted it, sorry!). Sex is NOT ok outside of marriage. It is not just for recreation. It is the ultimate sharing of love between two people. It is not for kicks, or just because 'it feels good.' I can guarantee this world would be better if people abstained from sex until after marriage.

The Government has NO right to teach these things to my kids. If you're a person who wants to have the government do it for you, then you're a bad parent. Yes it is not easy, but taking on parenthood is NOT easy, nor will it ever be. A parent is responsible for a child's upbringing, not the government, and if you're not up to that responsilibity, then don't become a parent.

*steps off the soapbox for now*

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Intelligence, Integrity, Responsibility.
Vote Bush/Cheney 2000

Should parents talk with their kids about sex? Of course. How old are you going to let your daughter become before you talk to her about sex? 16? What about 14? Kids are having sex younger and younger every day ... try TEN ... ?

A discussion about sex isn't a one way thing. Its not just up to the parents to talk to their kids about sex. I know I sure didn't feel comfortable talking to my folks about sex -- I still don't. Its best to have a sex-ed teacher (someone besides another teen or pre-teen) to talk about sex with. I could NEVER go up to my dad and ask, "gee, dad, whats the best brand of condom to buy?" Ugh. Its not that I don't love or trust them -- I do. But there are certain subjects I don't feel comfortable talking with them about, and I know that most pre-teens/teens wouldn't feel comfortable talking to mom or dad about the subject of sex ... and THAT is why sex-ed is important ...

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Sex is NOT ok outside of marriage..

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Says you. Most people don't feel that same way. Sex is really the one thing you must only concern yourself about yourself, and leave the mating habits of others the themselves.

But, if other people don't feel that way, that's fine. Go ahead and fuck whomever is willing. Just remember to have yourself sterilized first, so there's absolutely no risk of pregnancy. If you don't, such reckless disregard for innocent lives should be grounds for expulsion from the human race, IMO...

The idea that out-of-marriage sex is ridiculous and crazy. The idea that if you're married you'll make better parents than a couple who isn't is also ludicrous.

As an example of a non-helpful federal regulation on schools, my father suggested the one mandating individualized in-class assistance for any and all students with any and all disabilities in every classroom.

Why, I asked, since this had seemed like a good idea to me at the time.

He replied because it is vague, and on a slippery slope, and practically, unworkable. What do you classify as a disability? Being a slow learner? If every school had to hire an individualized teacher for every even slightly diabled student, whether physically or learning-disabled, combined with Mainstreaming, this would destroy the system. They could never afford it.

Mainstreaming, as some of you may know, is the attempt to teach high achievers, middle-and-low achievers, and disabled students the same lessons in the same classes at the same time. It's another attempt to create forced equity where no equality can exist. While held up as a testimony to the brilliance of the demagogues (BY the demagogues), is is generally recognized as a failing syatem by educators with experience. It generally leads to frustration of the high achievers, because the teachers have to teach to the lowest common denominator, which can be very low indeed. It can also lead to frustration of the low achievers, when the teachers attempt to teach to an average or upper level, and they can't grasp it.

The same stratification among the students continues to exist, because the students, unlike their elders, are capable of telling the difference without feeling guilty about it.

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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master

I'm trying to get the hell out of here after school. I'll join a monastary, where the sex-crazed maniacs number far less.

So, I will say that I don't like sex outside of marriage only if marriage is defined as the couple in question's having chosen, due to their love for each other, to spend their lives together.

(edit)Smartass remarks removed.(/edit)

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