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I've never asked for specifics in that detail, but eighty percent of the paperwork that teachers do is for the federal government, and they do a LOT of paperwork. Eliminate the federal governments part, and the teachers have much more free time to do what they need to do: teach. I do have a teacher friend I can e-mail, if you'd like.
There are also federal rules that try to force schools to teach exactly what the federal government says. Basically, "Hey, we'll give you $500,000 a year, but you have to teach teenagers how to have sex, and teach your first-graders with such wholesome books as 'Heather has Two Mommies.'" And people wonder why morals are on the decline...
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Yeah, as if teenagers aren't going to pigfuck each other like there's no tomorrow if they're not told how in schools.
Actual Testimonial:
"Damn teachers, teaching us all this sex stuff. I would never have thought of it before, but I went to public school, and all I think with is my dick. Sex Education should be banned."
"Oh, and I almost forgot. Those books about Heather's mommies? Fuck those. Anything but the Bible in school schould be banned. Anything teaching tolerance should be banned. Oh, yeah, except for the Bible. That's the most tolerant book of all."
------------------ "...you know, Omega, there's a phrase you might want to look up. It goes something like "paranoid arrogant fuckwit who has more chance of ejaculating to the moon than he has of ever convincing a girl that he's a viable prospect for marriage." -PsyLiam, September 16, 2000 10:23 PM.
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There's a difference between tolerance and acceptance. I tolerate people who have or perform abortions, in that I don't shoot them on site. But I still think they're wrong, and would not choose to associate with them.
And the PROBLEM, if you'd care to find out what you're talking about first, with sex ed is exactly that attitude. "Well, they're gonna have sex anyway..." even though there's no evidence to back that up! But since when has lack of evidence stopped liberals? And they teach that condoms are going to protect you from all the dangers of sex. Yeah, right. Like it or not, abstainence works every time, and there IS NO SAFE SEX. Teaching otherwise is spreading lies.
------------------ "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw
quote:And the PROBLEM, if you'd care to find out what you're talking about first, with sex ed is exactly that attitude. "Well, they're gonna have sex anyway..."
WELL, THEY FUCKING ARE! Teenagers who aren't as fortunate as you to be homeschooled and devoid of all social interaction, (Do you know what a girl looks like? Oh yeah, that's right. You can look at porn on the internet.) sometimes stumble into situations in which a mix of alcohol and the horny, hormone driven nature of adolescence meet.
And sex happens.
It's happened before, and will happen again. It's been going on since the bginning of time. No matter what you think, teenagers will have sex anyway. Better to teach them what can provide at least a little protection than none at all.
quote:even though there's no evidence to back that up!
You get homeschooled again, right? Go to a public school. Despite what you may think, your mom is not the typical american high school female. Look at the girls in tube tops. Tell me that you would never think of giving them a right royal seeing to. (Oh yeah, that's right. Lust is bad. Oops.)
quote:And they teach that condoms are going to protect you from all the dangers of sex. Yeah, right.
Yeah, and they tell us too that Magic Beans cure cancer. I've never heard that condoms are the magic cure for STD's and Pregnancy and all that. I've only ever heard from my satan-promoting sex ed classes, that Condoms are going TO REDUCE the risk. Nothing definate here.
quote:Like it or not, abstainence works every time, and there IS NO SAFE SEX.
Yeah, absitence may work for us, we Star Trek geeks of the world, but I'd guess that the abstinence we adhere to is not one of choice, but the fact that for you a member of the female perusasion will never, ever want to see you naked. Not without paying first.
quote:Teaching otherwise is spreading lies.
Is this about the condom thing again? Look, dude, if you took some Sex Ed classes, and not tried to gather the harmonics of the birds and bees from your Mom and the Fresh Prince Of Bel Air, you'd realize that noone is saying anything about condoms being the end all solution to sexually related problems.
Maybe, just maybe, before you gripe and bitch about something you should experience it first hand.
"But the schools have sex periods in which the students have sex, so they don't go home and have sex with heroin and crack cocaine around. They're teaching kids it's cool to have sex, and even grade them on it."
------------------ "...you know, Omega, there's a phrase you might want to look up. It goes something like "paranoid arrogant fuckwit who has more chance of ejaculating to the moon than he has of ever convincing a girl that he's a viable prospect for marriage." -PsyLiam, September 16, 2000 10:23 PM.
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I happen to believe that your parents should teach you the 'birds and the bees' and not the government. If anything, THAT's been going around since the beginning of time, UM. I went to a public school, and yet, I have yet to have sex. I know what it is, but possess no immediate urge to do so until I'm married. Something every kid should get from their parents is a set of good morals.
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So, back to the topic...which is Bush on Education. Rather than moralizing about how public education promotes diversity...why don't we talk about Dubya.
quote:I've never asked for specifics in that detail, but eighty percent of the paperwork that teachers do is for the federal government...
I'd certainly love to hear some specifics to back that 80% number up. Either from you or your teacher buddy.
But back to the first part here...why havent't you sought out the details of the Bush education plan? You are here defending it? Seems to me that is one of the big things he's been running on...and if you are a supporter (as I imagine you to be) and a person who trumpets the Republican / conservative cause all over these boards...shouldn't you have specifics as to the rules and regulations that are holding teacher back from teaching the 55 wee ones packed into the the "temporary" trailor parked on the playground?
quote:Any elimination of bureaucracies is generally a good thing.
Indeed-diddly-do...Hwever, I'll pose this question:
When does an administration of a school or a school district become a bureaucracy? I think that even the most dim-bulbed conservative would say there has to be some sort of administration of schools. When in the line crossed?
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------------------ "If the rope is a quarter of a Zeuslength in size, then the Defiant shalt most naturally be seven times the thirty-second part of a Zeuslength?" -Boris Skrbic, 27-Sep-2000
If anyone's wondering, I was amen-ing Jeff's now-deleted speech regarding the quality of sex as a loving, shared experience rather than recreation. If anyone read it and remembers what it said, I agree w/ it wholeheartedly... :-)
------------------ "If the rope is a quarter of a Zeuslength in size, then the Defiant shalt most naturally be seven times the thirty-second part of a Zeuslength?" -Boris Skrbic, 27-Sep-2000
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"When does an administration of a school or a school district become a bureaucracy?"
Simple. A bureaucracy involves manifold levels, many of which are completely unrelated to the end goal. It's also almost by definition inefficient.
"I'd certainly love to hear some specifics to back that 80% number up. Either from you or your teacher buddy."
Will do. Just e-mailed him.
"Shouldn't you have specifics as to the rules and regulations that are holding teacher back from teaching the 55 wee ones packed into the the "temporary" trailor parked on the playground?"
Care to tell me where you got that? Even assuming it's true, it's a perfect argument for vouchers, which last I checked, Bush supported. Thanks for making my point.
------------------ "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw
quote: A bureaucracy involves manifold levels, many of which are completely unrelated to the end goal.
Regarding education...such as ?
Ah, we finally get to vouchers. The great conservative panacea for education. I have much to say on the subject, but it will have to wait till tomorrow as there is much work to do tonight...and many miles before I sleep. For now let it stand that I am deeply opposed to vouchers.
However, the poor teacher in the with all those kids is a great argument for class size reduction.
As to the veracity of my source, the LA Times ran a story a little while back about a school in the Valley composed wholly of trailers as I recall. I will look that up and cite you date, section and page number in the near future. As to the number of children, well that is nothing more than a number plucked from the air as one picks a peach. However, there are many schools in California that have several more children in the class room than would be optimal...and Gov. Davis is working on class size reduction as part of his first term in office.
Still, I want to know the rules we need to do away with?
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