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Oh, there you go with the tired old "the Jewish liberal media" rant again. It's old. It's tiresome. It's not true.
Yeah, his rant couldn't have anything to do with the simple fact that George W. Bush is a coward who took refuge in the National Guard instead of having the conviction to fight in Vietnam or burn his draft card. And that then that same man makes a lump and general conclusion that Democrats are against protecting their nation.
Yeah. We can see by example. And Republicans are notorious for dodging combat, then urging for it when they're in office.
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OMG, the much-derided "chickenhawk" theory!
Think about our history, and you'll see how foolish this argument is.
War Between the States - On one side, you had the CSA, led by Jeff Davis, a West Point grad, a military man. On the other side, you had Abe Lincoln. Who proved to be the better leader?
WWI - Woody Wilson -never served. Never saw action.
WWII - FDR-Served in an admin capacity in the Navy, never saw action.
Or, perhaps, are you suggesting that only those who served in the military be allowed to voice their opinions re war? You know you previously voiced the opinion that that's un-American.
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Rob, you keep changing the subject. I never suggested that it was, as you suggest, about who is better to lead the country.
Rather (as anyone with a basic comprehension of English would have read), how is it that some chickenshit piece of fuck asshole who used his daddy's political connections to cower in relative safety without having the conviction to fight or burn his draft card DARE question the integrity of those who DID fight for their country?
George W. Bush (the cickenshit piece of fuck asshole in question) attacked John McCain's integrity during the Republican primaries ... a man who fought in Vietnam and was a POW ... now he attacks Democrats, including those who have served in the military and in combat duties. This is nothing new to that cheap prick we have to call a "president", and I'm *DAMN* glad someone called him for being the moronic fuckface he is.
As usual, your reading skills and abilities are below par.
quote:some chickenshit asshole who used his daddy's political connections to cower in relative safety without having the conviction to fight or burn his draft card DARE question the integrity of those who DID fight for their country
I don't know. Somehow, he still managed to get elected in 1992 and '96, though.
Oh, save it. I admit that was a cheap shot, even though it is true.
How many Democratic Representatives ARE veterans, BTW? I know Hillary isn't. I know Daschle is a Vietnam vet, but I can't find out where he served.
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Clinton's father didn't have political connections, remember? Actually, I think Clinton's dad abandoned the family. And Clinton had at the least the courage to stand by his convictions and burn his draft card. Bush didn't even have that courage.
(PS -- the only Republican senators to see combat are McCain and Hagel).
-Democrat Senators in the Military-
* Sen. Daniel Akaka (Hawaii) - Served during World War II ('43-'47), some of that with Army Corps of Engineers. Was at Saipan and Tinian.
* Sen. John Kerry (MA) - Rewarded Silver Star for actions in Vietnam (not to be confused with former Sen Bob Kerry, also a Dem, who was a SEAL during Vietnam and lost his leg in combat).
quote:John Kerry entered the Navy after graduation, becoming a Swift Boat officer, serving on a gunboat in the Mekong Delta in Vietnam. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat.
* Sen. Max Cleland (Georgia) - Lost both legs and one arm in Vietnam during his second tour. Awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star for meritorious service.
quote:"After airborne training at Ft. Benning, Georgia and a tour as an Aide de Camp at Ft. Monmouth, New Jersey, Cleland volunteered for duty in Vietnam in 1967. In 1968, he was promoted to the rank of Captain, but was seriously wounded in a grenade explosion on April 8th of that year, costing him both legs and his right arm."
* Sen. Tom Daschle (S. Dakota) - Served three years as an intelligence officer in the U.S. Air Force Strategic Air Command.
* Sen. Daniel Inyoue (Hawaii) - WWII. Enlisted in March, '43 when he turned 18. Served in 442nd Regimental Combat Team. Promoted to Sergeant, and served in Italy. Recieved battlefield commission to first lieutenant after fighting in the French Vosges Mountains. Later, wounded in combat, he continued to press an attack against a machine gun nest, sustaining wounds which led to the amputation of his right arm.
* Sen. Zell Miller (Georgia) - USMC '53 - '56
quote:Miller did his 12-week boot camp at Parris Island, SC, followed by time at Naval Training Station in Great Lakes, IL and the 2nd Marine Division at Camp Lejeune, NC. By the end of the three years, he had earned the rank of sergeant and was an Expert Rifleman.
* Sen. Jack Reed (Rhode Island) - Graduated West Point, served '67 - '79, and as a reserve until '91.
quote:Reed, an Army Ranger and a paratrooper, served in the 82nd Airborne Division as an Infantry Platoon leader, a Company Commander and a Battalion Staff Officer.
* Sen. Tom Carpel (Del.) - U.S. Navy, '68 - '73, then a reserve until '91.
* Sen. Jon Corzine (NJ) - USMC Reserve, '69 - '75.
* Sen. Chris Dodd (Ct.) - Army Reserves, '69 - '75.
* Sen. Jeff Bingaman (NM) - Army Reserves 68-74
* Sen. Herb Kohn (Wis.) - Army Reserves '58 - '64
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So, yeah, Bush is a cowardly sack of shit to attack men who have placed their lives on the line for this nation. Fucking prick piece of shit.
(PS -- Rob & Omega, when you said that Daschle was the one making this political ... that's when I decided to kick your collective asses)
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Clinton's father didn't have political connections
Gore.
when you said that Daschle was the one making this political ... that's when I decided to kick your collective asses
And this will start when?
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Yes, but he served as a reporter, not a combatant. Thanks to his father's political clout. So, Gore.
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quote:"The House responded, but the Senate is more interested in special interests in Washington and not interested in the security of the American people. I will not accept a Department of Homeland Security that does not allow this president and future presidents to better keep the American people secure. And people are working hard to get it right in Washington, both Republicans and Democrats. See, this isn't a partisan issue. This is an American issue. This is an issue which is vital to our future. It'll help us determine how secure we'll be."
(emphasis mine)
If he wanted to be accurate, he should have said "There are those in the Senate who are" rather than "the Senate is," because fully a third of Senate Democrats are expected to vote for the Bush resolutions, and another third are undecided but likely to jump on so as not to damage their chances at re-election.
But this is a war, and despite what Sen. Daschle says, wars are always politicized. People get re-elected for staying out of war (Wilson), they get re-elected for being in DURING a war (Roosevelt), and they get elected for being IN a War, playing on their record (Taylor, Grant, T. Roosevelt, etc.) Who caught most of the heat for Vietnam, after all, the guy who got us in, or the guy who brought us out?
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Senator Ted Kennedy criticized the President harshly in a speech he gave this week. The speech is on his website.
Journalists in war have as much chance being killed as the combatants. And in some cases, journalists have been forced to take up weapons and engage the other side in combat. With these ideas in mind, I see VP Gore as a veteran of the Vietnam War.
Yesterday, on News Night with Aaron Brown, General Wesley Clark was asked by Mr. Brown if the war would stay confined to Iraq. Gen. Clark was of the opinion that this would occur; however, he added rumors being circulated by top ranking officials of the administration that Syria and/or Iran may be attacked at some future date. When we considered the resolution written at the White House and sent to Congress, this explains the clause which calls for military action to bring peace to the region. Our administration was planning a massive drive, starting with Iraq, to cleanse the Middle East of terrorists. This was and is terrifying.
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Yes, with the propaganda that was absobed by the American people, coming form both directions, the US was anti-war, with most of the pro-war people being the WW2 vets. With the anti-war sentiment at the time Nixon should have been more secure in his position, but his other scandals really put an and to that...
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Then there's the uncomfortable fact that Daschle was the UberHawk when it came to Iraq in 1998.
"Democrats for Regime Change" Weekly Standard, 9-16-02
Daschle not only supported military action against Iraq, he campaigned vigorously for a congressional resolution to formalize his support. Other current critics of President Bush--including Kerry, Graham, Patrick Leahy, Christopher Dodd, and Republican Chuck Hagel--co-sponsored the broad resolution: Congress "urges the president to take all necessary and appropriate actions to respond to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Daschle said the resolution would "send as clear a message as possible that we are going to force, one way or another, diplomatically or militarily, Iraq to comply with international law."
He also said "Look, we have exhausted virtually our diplomatic effort to get the Iraqis to comply with their own agreements and with international law. Given that, what other option is there but to force them to do so?' That's what they're saying. This is the key question. And the answer is we don't have another option. We have got to force them to comply, and we are doing so militarily."
And the then- BMOC, Billy himself said "We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st century," he argued. "They will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein."
In one of his diatribes, Daschle asked "What has changed in recent months or years" to justify confronting Saddam.
A better question would be: What's changed to make some Senate Democrats no longer want to confront him?
The only thing I can find that's changed is the political party of the man in the White House. Is that "politicizing war?"
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