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Do not believe that all Catholics believe things like this just because their conservative leaders preach this stuff (do we believe all Muslims are terrorists?). Unfortunately, there is a staunch conservative Pope in the Vatican, and nothing the Chruch preaches will change unless we get a NEW Pope. Though that might not change anything, either.
It's time for change, but unfortunately it will not be coming for a long time.
The first two paragraphs seems to damn the entire thing, but if you read on, it says the document contains feminist statements.
quote: It said women should not be stigmatized or penalized financially for wanting to be homemakers. It also said women "should be present in the world of work and ... have access to positions of responsibility which allow them to inspire the politics of nations and to promote innovative solutions to economic and social problems."
Those who choose to work should be granted an appropriate work schedule and "not have to choose between relinquishing their family life or enduring continual stress," the message to bishops said.
That's not something I'd argue with. However, maintaining the ban on women priests severely undercuts this position.
quote:new recent approaches to women's issues were marked by a tendency "to emphasize strongly conditions of subordination in order to give rise to antagonism: women, in order to be themselves, must make themselves the adversaries of men."
Such an attitude, the document said, "has its most immediate and lethal effects in the structure of the family."
I have to say I agree with this because of the relationship seminar I've been to. I disagree with labeling women as victims or seeing men as adversaries, which feminists sometimes do. That does not work women want are freedom as well as well as happiness in relationships. However, these statements are presented in an adversarial way themselves, which undercuts what it is actually saying and will invite resistance.
A lot of times feminists also attempt to disregard differences between men and women, whereas I believe in equality but not sameness (which is, you know, totally boring). The document condemns making men and women appear the same, but it does not make the distinction between equality and sameness (at least not in the article), which is not a smart move on their part.
To me, the document seems to be guilty of (aside from having good intentions but shooting themselves in the foot) narrowing the definition of feminism, narrowing the definition of family, and denouncing homosexuality, none of which are new or surprising. God save us from pointless reiterations on the same themes.
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quote:Originally posted by Tora Ziyal: [QUOTE] It also said women "should be present in the world of work and ... have access to positions of responsibility which allow them to inspire the politics of nations and to promote innovative solutions to economic and social problems."
Ummm....is'nt that kinda against Old Testament?
I personally think Paul's gone waaaaaaaaaaay senile.
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You and half the Western world.
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You know, a young charismatic pope who would talk coherently and become *popular* would totally freak me out. For as long as I remember, the pope has always been a sad old man you can poke fun at.
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Popes have always been old. That way, if they turn out to be intelligent, charismatic or in any other way threaten the structure of the Catholic church (ie. the one in which the cardinals have immense power) they won't be around long or can be killed off without everyone screaming murder. Of course, it doesn't always work...
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I just thought you had to be old and senile to ever want that job: too much security, scrutint nad you cant even keep your own name (for history's sake).
I guess you get to meet world leaders and denounce common sense though, so that's something.
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That's what the security glass on the Popemobile is really for: to keep all those randy Catholic women from tempting him with their lingere and rosary beads.
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You know, Pope John Paul II was actually quite the spry, active fellow when he first took the position. Kinda looked like Patrick Stewart in a pope's costume.
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