U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris told a religious journal that separation of church and state is "a lie" and God and the nation's founding fathers did not intend the country be "a nation of secular laws."
The Republican candidate for U.S. Senate also said that if Christians are not elected, politicians will "legislate sin," including abortion and gay marriage.
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Da_bang80
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I don't know why, but that Harris bitch convinced me (again) that it is indead a bad idea to mix religion with government.
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Openly you mean, since all people are guided by religious beliefs, whether they believe or not, so she's basicly right.
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Daniel Butler
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The founding fathers of our country were mostly atheists. Washington was a deist actually. Dammit, this is one more point in the fourteen points of fascism!! FUCK!
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As to what they actually believed, that's harder to determine, but most were nominally Christian.
This is a politician we're talking about. In general, they don't believe anything at all. They say what they have to say to whoever to get elected. On the other hand, if Harris is saying things she actually believes, well, good for her! An honest politician is a wonderful thing, even if what they say is distasteful.
I seriously doubt God cares much what the law is. He's interested in how you live, not in the US code.
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This is a politician we're talking about. In general, they don't believe anything at all. They say what they have to say to whoever to get elected. On the other hand, if Harris is saying things she actually believes, well, good for her! An honest politician is a wonderful thing, even if what they say is distasteful.
I would have liked to invite you to Ontario during another distasteful time of Harris and see what you think. Also an honest politician but for all the wrong reasons.
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What bugs me is that so many of these nitwits seem to think that by making things like abortion or gay marriage illegal, it's somehow going to prevent women from terminating unplanned/unwanted pregnancies or gay couples from committing to each other and living together. Every religion has fundamentalist zealots. I was raised Christian, but people like Ms. Harris make me embarassed to say so. I mean, who the hell is she to say her invisible being in the sky is more real or better than someone else's?
This has pissed me off enough I think I'm going to dig out my old VHS dub of The Ruling Class. I could use some religio-political satire about now.
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quote:Openly you mean, since all people are guided by religious beliefs, whether they believe or not, so she's basicly right.
*munch* You're confusing "religion" with "world-view". Everyone base their decisions based on their view of reality, the universe and everything, that doesn't mean that they believe in a superhuman agency arranging that reality, which is what "religion" stands for.
I'd like to see how many people around the world actually believe in gods (not just paying lipservice or going on custom). That 90%-crap from "Contact" feels as trustworthy as the word "Parlay" means "discussing terms" in "Pirates of the Caribbean".
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It seems to me that the spread, or resurgence, or just plain tenacity of religion in this day and age, it has a lot to do, ironically, with too much knowledge. Why ironically? Because religion first started as as way of explaining the unexplainable, the incomprehensible, the scary. Well, now we can explain, and we comprehend a fair bit - but it's still scary. . .
So, religion hangs on in there. This is the Information Age, but little of it brings comfort. The worls hasn't gotten worse, we're just able to learn a whole lot more about how bad it really is. There was a charity ad that ran here a while back, it had celebrities clicking their fingers toi indocate every time a child died. General Vo Nguyen Giap once said (roughly, I forget the exact quote) "a hundred thousand people die every day - a human life means nothing." Richard Dawkins says "We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die, because they are never going to be born. The number of people that could be here in my place outnumber the sand grains of Sahara. We are privileged to be alive, and we should make the most of our time on this world."
When you're faced with all that, who among us doesn't want there to be a purpose, a goal, a guiding light - fuck, anything that'll make sense of it all? I'm going to be thirty-six years old next week, but if I lie awake at night and think about this, the most basic instinct I feel is to run and climb in bed with my Mum. But I can't.
And it's not just about seeking out comfort and blissful ignorance; the really unpalatable truth about all the evil in the world is that just about anyone is capable of it. Religion makes it possible for you to say "Those people doing those horrible things, they may be of the same race, the same culture as me, but they don't believe like I do, they're sinners." And, even better, "They will get their comeuppance in the next world, while I will be rewarded."
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