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3. Stop enforcing state and federal personal income tax. The whole federal personal income (and payroll) tax is well known to be illegal; so are the state taxes dependent on the federal compulsory informant system.

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6. Only taxpaying men may vote or hold office. The 19th Amendment exceeds federal authority.

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If you don't pay taxes, how then can you vote?

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"What happens if a big asteroid hits the Earth? Judging from realistic simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we can assume it will be pretty bad."
- Dave Barry

"I agree with that. Ending women's suffrage has been a big issue for me. If women weren't able to vote, Clinton would have never gotten into office. And that's reason enough.

Everything else is a little to right-wing extremist for me. But I've seen worse."

So you claim you're not an extremist? I beg to differ.

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"My Name is Elmer Fudd, Millionaire. I own a Mansion and a Yacht."
Psychiatrist: "Again."

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So you claim you're not an extremist? I beg to differ.

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I doubt you could classify me any one way. On some issues I'm an extreme liberal (absolute freedom of speech, foreign policy, government program funding, increasing taxes for government spending, supporting wlefare programs, etc.) then on others convervative (animal civil rights, various economic policies, dress).

And no, I'm not male shovenist [sp] either. I don't support locking women up in closets like the Missouri cannidate, just suspending rights from citizens who abuse them. Voting Bill Clinton into office in 1992, then again in 1996 is a crime. And the statistics show that a huge number of men voted for Bush and Dole, yet the majority party of women casted in their favor to Clinton. And why? *Oh, I like his hair* {shudder}

Send NOW after me if you wish ...

You know that word sexism was only invented three decades ago ... my words, in fact, stand the test of time better. Augustus even agreed that a woman voting would be too scandalous, even though women in Rome could own land and paid taxes. Just call me old fashioned .... on one issue.

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-Small Computer Systems Interface "Scuzzy" Emperor

Operator of the Goulag Hotel, maintainer of the workhouses.

Operator of Cargill Conglomerate Publications, http://www.cargillconglomerate.com

A scene that was cut from last season's "Rock" episode, Tsumkatse:
Rock: Do ya smell what the Rock's cookin'?
Janeway: Mr. Rock, was that you?
Tuvok: An intriguing smell ...

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Voting Bill Clinton into office in 1992, then again in 1996 is a crime

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Prove that it broke the law. Prove it was illegal. It may not have been the best idea, but hey, there's democracy for you.
It's too bad that everybody didn't think like you, isn't it? If we did, the nuthouses would be filled up to capacity.

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the nuthouses would be filled up to capacity.

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There's another topic; it's become harder to commit people in recent years, so no actually. That's why you see so many panhandlers on the streets these days ...

Oh, come now. I used the word to get your attention, since eveyone seems to be against me. I used the word Illegal not by the literal standard of a written document, but in the eyes of the people who authored the constitution. Maybe illegal is the wrong term, more "reckless" is. But, then on my contrary, the presidential position is becoming less and less important as our economy stablizes.

Actually, if you wish to continue the conversation, I have the support of several women on ending their own suffrage. Bryn Mawr graduates, even.

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You're a moron.

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And just because I make a statement outside the political correctness of today? Well, yes, but what about yesterday? Do not their views, which I hold in consideration, count anymore?

That's shortsightedness, my friend. Especially when you think about tomorrow. How do you know that the whole Women's Right thing wont fall into disfavor in another 10, 20 years? Their issues will begin to become overshadowed, and suddenly there'll be a new taboo. Consider the views of women for two, three thousand years in comparison to 30 years? Then rethink your statements.

I do not wish to compete in a flame war.

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-Small Computer Systems Interface "Scuzzy" Emperor

Operator of the Goulag Hotel, maintainer of the workhouses.

Operator of Cargill Conglomerate Publications, http://www.cargillconglomerate.com

A scene that was cut from last season's "Rock" episode, Tsumkatse:
Rock: Do ya smell what the Rock's cookin'?
Janeway: Mr. Rock, was that you?
Tuvok: An intriguing smell ...

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"The things hollow--it goes on forever--and--oh my God!--it's full of stars!" -David Bowman's last transmission back to Earth, 2001: A Space Odyssey

The 359 Webpage

"I doubt you could classify me any one way. On some issues I'm an extreme liberal (absolute freedom of speech, foreign policy, government program funding, increasing taxes for government spending, supporting wlefare programs, etc.)"

May I remind you that Absolute Freedom of speech INCLUDES women's voting rights. And those of Black, Gays, Lesbians, Disabled people, etc. Keyword Equality. Everyone in society has EQUAL RIGHTS. That's called Democracy. Right now, I have trouble believing that you actually support it.

And may I remind you that Women are like all men: intelligent HUMAN BEINGS.

Someone move this to the flameboard.

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"My Name is Elmer Fudd, Millionaire. I own a Mansion and a Yacht."
Psychiatrist: "Again."

And yes, it may be the fault of the "soccer moms" that der schlikmeister is in office, but they still have the right to vote, as rational, responsable beings.

And animal rights is a liberal issue. It gives the government more power.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
- George Bernard Shaw

The Constitution is the highest law of the land and amendments made to it care the same weight. So if Crazy "My Wife Divorced Me And Took My Gun, Dog And Money" Mizou fellow wants to try and pass another amendment to the Constitution repealing the 19th, then welcome. There are many, other than soccer moms who will fight him tooth and nail.

There are other amendments that require intrepretation but not the 19th.

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The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

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Man, that's simple and too the point.

As to the issue of who voted for whom in the last two elections, well I don't know that there is any substantial proof, other than looking at the records of the election, as to if the female vote:

• Turned the vote in favor of Clinton
  
• That the female vote was simply because they (and this has to be as a group as a whole) voted for Clinton because they think he's cute. Or at least better looking than H. W. Bush or Bob Dole.
  

As to the general intelligence of the population as a whole, well I can't speak to that save only to say that if the populace of the US were brighter than it is, we would have a better choice at the polls than Gore or Dubya Bush.

However, universal sufferage allows politics of the lowest common denominator. The elections are a media circus with bright lights and glowing speeches for the masses who could care less about a real issues.

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Oh, fiddle faddle, everyone knows that our mutants have flippers. Oops, I've said too much.....
~C. Montgomery Burns

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May I remind you that Absolute Freedom of speech INCLUDES women's voting rights.

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Not really. Related, but not the same. Speech and Suffrage are two different things. As freedom of speech has existed for many years, among all parties, not only in America but in other cultures, truly universal suffrage has not. More being a recent twentieth century invention.

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And may I remind you that Women are like all men: intelligent HUMAN BEINGS.

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I never asserted the contrary. If the physical voting records showed caucasian males had voted Clinton into office as a majority, I'd be in feminist group by now. That's how much I dislike our president. So much as draw myself into an argument you'll never open your eyes too.

Also, I don't see how you're drawing all these parties into the matter. You figure since I oppose one aspect of a certain group that that automatically means I'm the all rounded bigot of everyone. Fallacious logic. In fact, as a seperate issue to discuss some time, the Native American population is widely abused and exploited in this country. I've written many articles denouncing government Indian reservations (like segregated communities) ...

But that's off the topic. Yes, I do agree that it would be unfair to the woman population to universally ban them from the polls. Whatever that needs to be ruled out to encourage more traditional cannidates. Of course, I say this all in theory, and I would never try to applicate it like our friend in Missouri.

I consider the matter ended. There's no need for a flame war. I respect all your opinions, as well as your arguments, as I wish you would see mine.

I think Jay said it better than me. The more you limit a election to certain parties, the better the outcome is in the end result. In fact, in countries where the political situation is much more serious, and the welfare of the country depends on a leader, there are systems to prevent a popular vote (i.e. a Parliamentry system, where a people chosen congress chooses the leader, acting like a double filter).

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No wonder that girl at your school didn't want anything to do with you.

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Well, not because of these reasons. More like because I don't belong to a cult. Frankly, if I asked her if she supported ending woman's suffrage, she'd say "Yes, I think we should end woman's suffering."

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-Small Computer Systems Interface "Scuzzy" Emperor

Operator of the Goulag Hotel, maintainer of the workhouses.

Operator of Cargill Conglomerate Publications, http://www.cargillconglomerate.com

A scene that was cut from last season's "Rock" episode, Tsumkatse:
Rock: Do ya smell what the Rock's cookin'?
Janeway: Mr. Rock, was that you?
Tuvok: An intriguing smell ...

I don't agree with you (duh), but I can see why you hold that opinion. Let me get this straight here: you oppose women's suffrage because 1)You don't like Bill and 2)Many women voted for him (Just what ARE the statistics, anyway?). Don't give me the "oh, I like his hair" bullshit. Number one, you're jumping to conclusions based on your hatred of Clinton. Number two, that "reasoning" is comes from prejudice and extremely broad generalization. People don't always think the way you do. GET OVER IT.

Goddess, you've said it yourself. It's Clinton you hate, not women. You get a bad president, so you blame the voters. Sound logic, indeed.

Anyway, does it really matter who's president? The position has been pretty much relegated to the status of "figurehead" anyway. Not quite, but close...

1) This is fast running into flameboard territory. *looks pleadingly at admins* Can I have it? Can I have it? Puhleeze?

2) I shudder to think what kind of president Mr. Cigarettes-are-as-addicitive-as-milk would have been.

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"Homer, you're dumb as a mule and twice as ugly,
if a strange man offers you a ride, I say take it"-Abe S.