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Taxes, Fab. I think Fo2 posted something about that a while back...
Hobbes:
The environmental wackos don't want us to drill there. Something about messing up the environment. Oh, yes, we'll loose the senic use of a few hundred acres of ice. Don't have enough ice fields in Alaska NOW, so we CERTAINLY can't afford to loose even a small part of one.
'Course, the only way it would actually do real damage is in an accident, and those happen extremely rarely. And the environment bounces back rather quickly, too...
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Actually Clinton did tap in to it, for 1.5 million barrels. It is known as Naval Oil Reserves, I think Field No. 2 is the largest. It is to be used for emergencies only, like the 70's, or incase a war in the mid-east makes it too difficult to get what we need. If you think you pay a lot for gas look at this... Diet Snapple 16oz for $1.29 equals $10.32 per gallon Lipton Ice Tea 16oz for $1.19 equals $ 9.52 per gallon Gatorade 20oz for $1.59 equals $ 10.17 per gallon Ocean Spray 16oz for $1.25 equals $ 10.00 per gallon Pint of milk 16oz for $1.59 equals $12.72 per gallon STP Brake Fluid 12oz for $3.15 equals $ 33.60 per gallon Vick's Nyquil 6oz for $8.35 equals $ 178.13 per gallon Pepto Bismol 4oz for $3.85 equals $123.20 per gallon Whiteout 7oz for $1.39 equals $25.42 per gallon Scope 1.5oz for $0.99 equals $ 84.48 per gallon
And this is the REAL KICKER...... Evian water 9oz for $1.49 equals $ 21.19 per gallon .....$21.19 FOR WATER!!
Ok, any questions, or should we just start the rioting against uncontrolled capitalism????
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Oh, yes. Nyquil's an absolute necessity. In fact, I have to buy several dozen packages a week. Never mind the fact that they're not making all that much profit off that, since that's not probably not much more that what it costs to make. SOMETHING has to be done!
OK, in case you couldn't tell, that WAS sarcasm.
So... you're advocating that all LIQUIDS should cost the same, now, regardless of what they cost to make?
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Yeah, taxes are a bitch. Sure, we drill the oil from the Hibernia fields, sure, we refine it here in Saint John, but it still costs an arm and a leg. Go taxes.
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Polluting and getting away with it...or long enough to make some fine profits...is certainly in the best interests of the �ber large oil companies.
Consider the amount of profit for the top executives over years of polluting vs. the costs of getting caught.
Anyway Jeff, I wasn't about superfund sights anyway...unless you might want to talk about the monumental costs it would take if any of the �ber large oil company refineries were to leave Torrance and you wanted to use the land for anything.
No, the type of pollution I was speaking of was the massive amount of air pollution spewed out by all kinds of machines spewing out stuff that turns my air into a brown muck...and they hyprocical nonsense that says yesh, reduce consumptuon, lower prices, but don't touch my Sport Utility Tank.
I mentioned Houston because in the great state if Governor G.W. Bush, they passed Los Angeles for first in the country for most smog. Now, the �ber large car companies much like the �ber large oil companies really don't give much of a pooh about cleaning up the air...or about looking for alternative ways to power your car or anything else they produce. The ONLY thing they care about is that they want you to keep using their unrenewable fossil fuels that are major sources of pollution so they can keep making profits.
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Hobbes, there are oil deposits in the Alaskan wilderness and off the cost of California...the question if you think that getting the oil there worth ruining parts of the California coast or the Alaskan wilderness?
Once it's gone, it's gone...and profits and use of gined from that oil are only temporary things.
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I have been to Alaska Senator. It's Beautiful place.
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Ritten: Supermarkets DO sell water by the gallon. Now, I never bought a gallon of Evian, but I doubt they sell it for that much. Things are always cheaper when bought in bulk. You're oversimplifying it.
Omega: Now, aren't we just forgetting a tiny little incident called the Oil Embargo back in the 70s? If I remember correctly, oil prices went from maybe 75 cents (Don't remember exactly) to almost two dollars. "Experts" at the time thought oil prices were inelastic, meaning demand WON'T change because oil is a necessity. Well, the embargo proved them wrong. That's when all the fuel economy features came out (how many miles to a gallon). So it's not that demand doesn't change, it's that demand changes when oil prices rise drastically. Obviously, people are complaining because prices are higher than usual, but demand isn't dropping because if people can afford SUVs, they can afford a couple of dimes more per gallon. And there ARE alternatives: electric cars and hybrids (which cuts fuel by half if not more).
On a side note, someone at my apartment complex owns a BMW SUV. A horrendous double-atrocity if I ever saw one.
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Well, if I ever heard of a reason to dislike Trojans...now I have one!
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You know, not to interject interesting side-topics into all this, but in his novel Dune, Frank Herbert makes some interesting observations about what can happen to societies wholely dependant upon singular commodities.
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Ah, yes, the oil embargo. When Japan got a foot into our auto market due to the stupidity of Nixon and Detroit...
Now I seem to recall this having something to do with Nixon's price and wage controls, but correct me if I'm wrong. Detroit started making cars that were horribly inefficient, because they figured that, because of the price control, gas wouldn't go up. Well, then the embargo(s) came along, and people needed an alternative to waiting in lines for gas (demand didn't drop just because supply did). Japanese cars were that alternative. Small, uncomfortable, ugly, and unsafe. But they were cheap and fuel-efficient. And thus the Japanese car industry was born.
People STILL wanted gasoline. They just wanted an alternative, too. The prices were inflated naturally, instead of artificially. Thus nothing to riot against. People don't stop driving just because of low supply or high prices.
Hybrid cars are great, but they still take gas. I'm betting that once the hybrid Durango and Intrepid come out in five years or so, they're gonna be REAL popular. I want one of those Intrepids.
Electric cars just suck. You can't go more than, what, 120 miles? And that's if you don't intend to go home.
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As Dictator, I will guarantee a market (and a billion-dollar X-prize) to the first company to safely 'beam' back a megawatt of power from an orbiting satellite.
There, that'll fix 'em.
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NOW, they might. In 20 years, I bet that no less than 50 % of the new automobiles will be Electrically powered.
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