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"It is generally agreed that the oil supply is going to be practically exhausted in the next 50 years or so."
Um, no. Try 500 years. Even at the rate we're going now, we've got a good century of usable oil, and they've just developed a technology that allows the extraction of the 70% of oil that's left behind when a well is "exhausted" in a safe, clean, cheap way. $5 a barrel oil, here we come.
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*WHERE* do you get these numbers from? 500 years? And where are the figures for the summer driving rise that you claim to have?
And *WHY* Omega, would you want to keep using gas-burning cars in 500 years? Or do you want to see the Earth totally destroyed by our actions? (This coming from a guy who drives a Jeep, I know, I know...)
Can you look me in the eye (er, figure of speech), and tell me you don't want to see more eco-friendly methods of power developed?
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From the article: "Elgin said in North America alone there "is enough oil in the first thousand feet of just our abandoned wells in Canada and the United States to supply the entirety of the continent for 400 years."
Good enough for you?
"Can you look me in the eye (er, figure of speech), and tell me you don't want to see more eco-friendly methods of power developed?"
I already told you that I DO want them developed. But high prices aren't gonna do it. Why don't you just go out and INVENT a viable power source, instead of whining about it?
As for summer driving, I can't seem to find an online source. I guess it's not something that anyone keeps records on. But I did hear it. Whether you take my word for it or not is your decision, but then, of course, I can challenge you to proove that the amount of driving went DOWN this summer.
"Or do you want to see the Earth totally destroyed by our actions?"
Someone's been listening to the environmental wackos a BIT too much. The environment is NOT fragile. We couldn't destroy this planet if we WANTED to, short of an all-out nuclear assault. We've been using the ICE for a centruy now, and there are, what, three cities in the most heavily industrialized country on the planet that have major problems?
Just to clear up any other myths you may subscribe to: the o-zone hole is natural; acid rain is natural, and is not harmful in 98% of cases anyway; the rainforest is not being cut down at a rate of a football field a second; the Earth's temperature is not increasing. Anything I left out?
------------------ Pilot: You're sure they were Americans, eh? Fraser: They were all wearing new boots, they were driving a Jeep Wrangler, and they carried big guns. Pilot: Americans it is. - "due South"
quote:Just to clear up any other myths you may subscribe to: the o-zone hole is natural;
Prove it.
quote:acid rain is natural
Prove it.
quote:and is not harmful in 98% of cases anyway;
Prove it.
quote: the rainforest is not being cut down at a rate of a football field a second;
Prove it.
quote:the Earth's temperature is not increasing.
Prove it.
This is so much bullshit that even the Bull is jealous that you outshitted him. Do you read "National Geographic - The Denial edition! Check out next month's issue - How to create your own gas chamber and fake your very own Holocaust!!! Just like the Jews! Proof that will amaze!" I dunno.
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Does anybody remember what the ratio is of CFC atoms destroying o-zone atoms?? 10:1 I believe I have read...in Pop Sci several years ago. I can not remember what the mag was that I had read in the Dr.s office, but a small hole in the o-zone lay over the Antartic is natral, a few hundred km across, due to the falling action there. If I find the ref. I will post its location. What has them worried this year was the rate of the holes growth to 10 plus million sq. mi.
I'll look around for the ref's to the above, but with the way the Dr.s subscribe to mags it could have been the "Mirror Universes" National Geographic.....
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To which I readily respond: proove otherwise.
But since you'll probably say something along the lines of, "But ALL reputable scientists agree on this," whereas "reputable" is defined as believing these things...
But I do stand corrected on one thing. The Earth's temperature MAY be increasing slightly. It's just due to natural fluctuations, not greenhouse gases.
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To which I readily respond: proove otherwise.
But since you'll probably say something along the lines of, "But ALL reputable scientists agree on this," whereas "reputable" is defined as believing these things...
But I do stand corrected on one thing. The Earth's temperature MAY be increasing slightly. It's just due to natural fluctuations, not greenhouse gases.
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The irony of Omega using quotes from junkscience.com is so incredibly massive it threatens to collapse into a singularity. I'm beginning to suspect we are witnessing one of the most brilliant examples of postmodern performance art ever created.
No scientist argues that the Earth is getting warmer.
Scientists do argue over why it is getting warmer.
Humanity cannot destroy the Earth itself, nor eliminate its biosphere.
Humanity can, rather easily, remove itself and a large chunk of its closer relatives from said biosphere.
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Omega, in reference to your quip regarding a unilitre vehicle. You do understand something about power-weight ratios and different engine designs which allow more power to be put to the wheels don't you? Large unrefined (Read: cheap to manufacture) engines such as are built in the USA tend to be rather....simple ...(?) in comparison to the designs of their European and Japanese counterparts. But hey, don't let me rain on the 6.5 litre engine group.
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Nope, Daryus. Don't know much about the ICE's specs, actually. It just seemed to make sense that if you're combusting four times the gasoline, you're gonna get a LITTLE more power.
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I don't recall giving ANY numbers at all, so why would I want to find proof to back up nonexistant numbers?
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Well, neither did I. I simply stated that a premise assumed by many was untrue.
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No, you said that leisurely sunday driving was on the rise. You must have had numbers to come to that conclusion (unless you were using letters, but I don't know how that would work, so I'm assuming its numbers).
So, if you don't have numbers, how do you know Sunday leisurely driving is/was on the rise/stayed constant?
Because, honestly, if thats the case, it tells me everyone can afford the gas hike and this whole discussion is a moot point.
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Here's a minor tidbit relating to the oil/environment conundrum... sorry, but I have only the text, not a link...
Washington Times September 28, 2000 Kenneth D. Smith. ed.
When oil companies began work on Alaska's north slope at Prudhoe Bay several decades ago, Eskimos there opposed drilling operations for fear they would frighten off the caribou and other animals on which they subsisted. "There goes our way of life," they said. "The wildlife will go away. The fish will go away."
But as Eskimo official Oliver Leavitt told Tom Carter of The Washington Times this month, the much-feared caribou diaspora never happened. Far from running out of caribou, for example, the area is now teeming with them. From just 3,000 caribou in 1970, the Central Arctic Herd pictured nearby grew to almost 20,000 as of 1999. The projects may not be the caribou's idea of Viagra, but the oil pipelines, built on surfaces elevated above the plain, do provide a platform on which animals can find relief from the clouds of mosquitoes and black flies below. Bears even walk atop the pipeline to go about their daily errands.
The 8,000 Eskimos now are so happy with the results that the Arctic Slope Regional Corp. which represents them is lobbying to open a tiny portion of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil exploration and development. For them it means jobs and revenue that would allow the community to enjoy such luxuries as schools and medical facilities that citizens in the lower 48 states take for granted. For the rest of the country, it would mean less dependence on foreign oil.
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They're also excited that they're known as Inuit now. And this is a 'Washington Post' article? Are there any articles on the Japs, Charlies, Chinks, and Indians? Maybe some about the Ukes, or Negroes? I wouldn't mind learnin' more about the Slits, or the Red Skins.
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