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He was on vacation, acctually. Touring. Developed a minor ear infection before he left, stupidly didn't get it treated, and it got really bad on the plane ride over (change in pressure, and all that). He went to see a doctor almost as soon as he landed. A standard GP, I think.
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Wait, I get it now. Let me straighten this out for y'all. Omega & co are dead against taxes. What they are for is everyone shelling out for everything. I'd hate to have to explain the advantages of massed resources or economies of scale to the abovementioned. Lets just use basic logic here.
Medical insurance, ths Australian example.
Take a man earning $50 000. He pays $250 a year as his medicare levy, inclided into your taxes. Now, that gives him cover. On the other hand, if he has a family of 4 he pays $250 a month to some private insurance firm. Shite, its far more logical to go private ain't it! You see old boy, there is a certain logic to a central health system, which is why our lot get kick arse medical cover. Do you think so many people would do it, all over the world, if it didn't work?
Perhaps you're forgetting that the pharmacy firms and the insurance firms are pushing your angle so hard because they would go out of business if the states adopted a central health system.
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Daryus, you're forgetting one thing. Actually, you're missing a couple other things, too, but this just screams out, "I've just shot meself in the foot!"
If the pharmasutical companies went out of business, where, exactly, would the patients get necessary drugs? And where would R&D take place on new ones? Exactly what do you think these companies do with their money, anyhow? Fill their mattresses with it? They spend it on R&D to create new drugs! This is generally considered a good thing.
Thus, if pharmacutical companies would, in fact, go out of business with central health care, we can determine central health care to be a BAD THING, on that basis alone.
Do you think so many people would do it, all over the world, if it didn't work?
And if all the other countries decided to nuke themselves, or declare war on the US, or some other patently stupid thing, would you do it, too? Appeal to mass popularity is not a legitimate debating tactic.
What they are for is everyone shelling out for everything.
Bingo. What an amazing concept: paying for what you want, yourself.
As for your incredibly wonderful government health care, how EXACTLY does it work, on the receiving end? Do you just show up at the doctor, he treats you, and you go home, never worrying about the money? The Doc just sends a bill to wherever the local branch of the medical bureaucracy is located?
Which also reminds me: you honestly think that that $250 a year is all you're paying? Does that include paying for bureaucrats to run the system? Or does that come out of general funds? I'd like to see your federal budget, personally, just as a matter of curiosity.
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Why is it Omega's response to almost everything is "it's not a valid debating tactic?" Who gives a rats ass? This is the Flameboard, not the Debating Board.
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You have never seemed to get the idea behind this board, JK. Who was it around here that said, "The flameboard is for flaming ideas, not people?" Flaming of someone's idea is bound to lead to an argument over it, and if the people involved are acting rationaly, argument means debate.
As for who gives a rat's a**, you're answer is this: those of us who are interested in finding the truth. That requires rational conversation, and THAT requires legitimate debates. If someone makes an invalid point, it should not be allowed to stand, because it's misleading. It's as simple as that.
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Fine, let me rephrase: Valid debating tactics are not valid flameboard tactics. In other words, when it is valid to ignore someone's arguments by claiming it's not a valid debate tactic?
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Must be the lack of seminar class or those single person home school debate classes (so at least someplace on the earth, he's always right.)
Omega's hubris seems to tell him it's ok to say things that are unsupported and when questioned ignore the quesiton.
*shurg*
Don't make him right, it just makes him Omega.
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JeffK: I'm afraid you're wrong on this one. The Flameboard is here because the topics discussed tend to elicit flaming. It doesn't mean you're required to flame. Rational debating (while uncommon in Omega's presence) is allowed, and even preferable...
Now, everyone go back to talking about Omega's "farmy-kootical" companies...
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