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But if the chain of hotel resides in MANY states, then it would be, wouldn't it?
Besides which, the simple fact the inter-state commerce could be impeded by hotels discriminating has implications reaching beyond one single state. (Sort of like, if you pollute up-stream, it hurts states down-stream).
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I just love how a topic about whether or not racists should have the right to rent a room ...
Turns to whether or not hotels are a viable part of inter-state commerce or not
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"The Supreme Court has interpreted 'commerce' to mean not only trade but also all kinds of commercial activity. The Supreme Court has ruled that interstate commerce includes not only transactions across state boundaries but also any activity that affects commerce in more than one state."
In other words, Congress's power extends to creating laws regulating businesses which have customers / patrons from more than one state; ie: almost all of them, including hotels.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying that it's permitted.
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I think we need to re-define "discrimination" somehow.
Cuz we all know that discriminating against African Americans is wrong.
But somehow kicking a Aryan Nation person out of a company because of racist opinions he express in public doesn't seem that wrong or "discriminating" to me.
I think relating the "hotal incidient" with black discrimination is unjustify in this case.
Want prove? Can't give you none, it's just a gut feeling, maybe some of you can help me work out the logic.
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Well, you're right in that there is a difference in discriminating based on someone's skin color or sex and between discriminating based on someone's politics, which is essentially what happened here.
But is it right to discriminate against someone (or a group of someone's) because you don't agree with their politics? I mean, what if this group has no place to assemble -- hotels wouldn't let them book a conference room, the local towns and cities wouldn't issue them the permits to demonstrate, etc. Isn't that just as bad?
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You're right, however, I don't think anyone will be complaining about if an Ayran Nation person gets kicked out of a hotal but himself.
Mind you, if he wasn't such a "lound mouth" and started talking about racist non-sense, he probably wouldn't be kicked out either.
freedom of believe is one thing, but if he is imposing on other with his believe, which I doubt anybody is willing to accept his, then isn't that an invation to other's personal freedom as well?
I mean what happen if a hotel went out of business because a Aryan Nations group decided to hold a conference in this hotel, and the hotel can't refuse the order, because of the so called "freedom of believe", then who is to blame?
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>"But is it right to discriminate against someone (or a group of someone's) because you don't agree with their politics?"
Apparently so. It's called "Political Correctness."
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Want prove? Can't give you none, it's just a gut feeling
Just like the rest of liberalism, huh?
Come on. You set yourself up for that one.
But is it right to discriminate against someone (or a group of someone's) because you don't agree with their politics?
We're not talking about what IS right. We're talking about what rights you HAVE. There's a difference. I have a right to go get drunk every night, treat my family like dirt, and sleep with every girl I can get my hands on. That doesn't mean that it IS right, it just means that, in a free society, I legally can.
I can discriminate based on anything I darned well please. I may have to answer for that to my customers or employers, but the government can't touch me. Why not? Because then they'd be discriminating against MY beliefs.
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Unless they pass an ammendment which makes it legal . In which case your little law abiding sentiment gets blown out of the water.
Omega, sometimes the laws don't do whats needed. So you get it done by doing whatever it takes. Afterall, the law cannot be static, it must adapt to the needs of the people, its there to serve their interests. That's one of the reasons I find your clinging to the constitution (which in the end is just a scrap of paper) so funny. Some parts just aren't relevant anymore. It's called updating, and dealing with todays realities. Not just the realities you see through the little prism you live in.
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That's just it, Daryus, The Constitution was set up so that it doesn't change, but rather fits any situation in the first place. Its not a "living, breathing" Constitution as some would believe. It is static- with exception to the admendments- it fits all situations. Sort of like a Swiss Army knife.
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Which is why some people think the Highway system is un-Constitutional, right?
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Unless they pass an ammendment which makes it legal. In which case your little law abiding sentiment gets blown out of the water.
Ah, but then it wouldn't really be a free society any more, would it?
Which is why some people think the Highway system is un-Constitutional, right?
Only a federally administered one.
Omega, sometimes the laws don't do whats needed. So you get it done by doing whatever it takes.
"Screw the law, do what's necessary?" Isn't this the very definition of Facism?
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"Want prove? Can't give you none, it's just a gut feeling"
Just like the rest of liberalism, huh?
Come on. You set yourself up for that one.
I find that comment really offensive Omega. I just wish you'd stop making these kinds of generalizations about liberals.
On a related note, Jeff Raven: I find that quote from Rush Limbaugh in your sig also offensive. I meant to bring that up with you before, but since Omega said this, may as well.
So we are nothing but gutless people who don't think, only complain, huh? *storms off*
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