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O'Brien definately had one solid pip in AGT.
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: I suppose it depends if you think that DS9's first season Starfleet security dude also worked on the Enterprise in engineering during "Brothers".
Or if you believe that Lt. Carrey from Voyager served at the Enterprise D's tactical station in the first season TNG
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quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Or if you believe that Lt. Carrey from Voyager served at the Enterprise D's tactical station in the first season TNG
actually i really dont think that was him (same actor i mean)
BTW, any good caps of Kosinski's pin-skis!?
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quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: [QUOTE] BTW, any good caps of Kosinski's pin-skis!?
Hey, Im new, but I do have a intelligible scan of his pips. However I cant seem to find where to go to upload the pic on this forum (I recall seeing it somewhere but I cant seem to retrace my steps)
As far as his "Rank" he was said to be a "specialist" and did you notice he didnt wear a communicator pin as well? Perhaps he is some sort of enlisted officer, seeing the pip system was still new at that time and that was just their way at the time to signify that?
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: O'Brien also had the single black pip when he appeared in AGT, which I take to mean that he was meant to have it all through TNG, and would have if Blackman found himself in 1988 about to give Colm Meany his first uniform.
The AGTs appearence also confirms that Meaney's character in Farpoint was O'Brien. His appearence in "Lonely Amoung Us" could be counted as O'Brien or not. There's no evidence either way. I suppose it depends if you think that DS9's first season Starfleet security dude also worked on the Enterprise in engineering during "Brothers".
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O'Brien would have always been O'Brien.
And was Lt. George Primmon on TNG!?! - Maybe it could have been the same guy?
And Carey was on TNG!?!
What about that Janeway chick that Troi was counselling one time - maybe it was Kathryn's sister!?!
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OK, Colm Meaney appeared twice in the first season of TNG, once in Farpoint, i believe he was creditied as 'ensign' or 'conn ensign' or somesuch.. but when they revisited that scene in AGT they called him a chief, not an ensign.
he also appeared in a yellow uniform in 'lonely among us' as an officer who was supposedly in security, but was simply trying to stop a bloodbath between delegates in the corridor.
all of his second season appearances began creditied as 'transporter chief' and then he was named o'brien that year. since the first two were in different jobs, its been questioned whether they were meant to represent the o'brien character he became.
since he was established to have a pre-TNG background as a tactical crew before he became a transporter specialist, security and conn arent too far fetched for him (in fact a position as a specialist -- a grade that sometimes runs counter, as an exception to enlisted ranks -- might explain some, but not all, of the confusion with his rank, beyond the simple mistakes of the fact that he wasn't envisioned as a non-com until the fourth season).
the actor who played Primmin did appear as an enhineer in 'Brothers'. but was called a different name, (Ensign Kopf i believe). so thats a non-issue. it certainly wasnt the same person.
as to the actor who played Joe Carey appearing on TNG, i have no recollection. i dont think this happened.
and Ensign Janeway? fap fap fap, fanboys should just get over the fact that people can have the same names. was Admiral Chekot� related to Chakotay?
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quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: since he was established to have a pre-TNG background as a tactical crew before he became a transporter specialist, security and conn arent too far fetched for him
Didnt O'Brien say he was the tactical officer of the Rutledge under Captain Maxwell? Doesnt that imply the same position Yar, Worf, Tuvok, etc. had on their ships? Why would a enlisted person be at an officers post? just a thought. Also, is it customary for an enlisted officer to go on away missions such as rescue/security detail such as at Setlik? Maybe O'Brien was originally an officer in Starfleet, and then decided to "retire" and then became an enlisted man. I dunno, I guess I am just repeating the above quote but I thought I would add that extra detail.
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On a smaller ship like the New Orleans class Rutledge, I don't see any problem with an enlisted man serving as the tactical officer. A) the crew is going to be pretty small and likely made up mostly of enlisted men, and B) the tactical position probably wouldn't be as tasking a position on that kind of ship as it is on, say, a galaxy class.
As for the actor who played Carrey showing up on TNG... it was one episode in either the first or second season and he was at Tactical in a gold uniform. There were no close ups of him... the only shots were from in front of the conn and ops consoles showing him at the back of the room. BUt between his voice, and his appearance, I'm darn sure it was the same guy. It may have been "Where Silence has Lease"... I just can't remember. Something where Worf was off the ship.
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quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: On a smaller ship like the New Orleans class Rutledge, I don't see any problem with an enlisted man serving as the tactical officer. A) the crew is going to be pretty small and likely made up mostly of enlisted men, and B) the tactical position probably wouldn't be as tasking a position on that kind of ship as it is on, say, a galaxy class.
Granted it was 'implied' that the same supposed class as the Rutledge (the Renegade) was a "frigate" which is defined as "smaller than a destroyer" suggests it is a smaller ship, there is no way to establish its true size and nature based on those correlations, therefore the Rutledge could easily be any size from Intrepid Class to Ambassador Class, and as we recall, the tactical position of the Voyager seem pretty 'tasking' despite the ships damn peculiar imperviousness.
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Everyone here knows the Rutledge to be New Orleans class for which we have a canon appearance of (as the Kyushu), therefore we roughly know how big (or small) she is.
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quote: Doesnt that imply the same position Yar, Worf, Tuvok, etc. had on their ships? Why would a enlisted person be at an officers post?
Well, O'Brien was DS9's chief engineer, so I guess he could be a tactical officer too.
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