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ROFLMHO, you think the Borg's numbering system is chronological? You forgot that, somewhere along the way, they assimilated a human, who passed along his/her cultural uniqueness to the Collective.
The Collective still recalls that terrifyingly illogical day, when the Starfleet's starship registery numbering scheme entered their collective consciousness. After that event, 2's just doesn't follow 1's anymore.
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quote:Originally posted by David Templar: You forgot that, somewhere along the way, they assimilated a human, who passed along his/her cultural uniqueness to the Collective.
What'chu talking about, Willis?
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: I don't see how hard it is to believe that a few Ferengi paid their way off Ferenginar and got into mischef and ended up in the Delta Quadrant assimilated by the Borg.
Maybe it's a scale of usefulness - Ferengi and Kazon low? Human higher?
Ugh...dude, sometimes I wonder about you....
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...and all i am saying is that despite how much i applaud MinutiaeMan's effort, there comes a time that we have to face the facts there there is no plausable solution to it.
Granted TPTB may have tried to make the species designations chronological in the beginning (same goes for registries and stardates), but that, like the rest of Voyager they eventually screwed up...notably in the cases of "The Omega Directive", the Ferengi, the order with Humans fall into the sequence...and so forth.
I can see how it makes sense the Vulcans being assimilated before the Humans and Species 10026 being the most recent additions (and highest number since 8472), but otherwise they just really fucked up a system that they probably intended to make chronological, I just dont think there is any way to resolve it, so it will just have to go on not making sense, as it doesnt have to.
As for the "scale of usefulness"....I think that is pretty much self explainatory...just read the info in Bernd's page and most of the "usefulness" quoted does not quite fall in any particular order either....
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Well...according the the official website this is the jist on the Ferengi:
quote: SPECIES 180 The Ferengi. It is not known why the Ferengi, an Alpha Quadrant race, has such a low species number, which would imply that they were encountered and catalogued very early in the Borg's existence.
Reference: "Infinite Regress"
Which I don't buy....
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Stranger things have happend. A giant amoeba for example...a talking, shapeshifting cat...or those doors that are always telling people to be quite.
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So this must come from one of Seven's bright moments in the episode - when she identified one of her identities. Or was she confused and meant to say "Species 5180"?
Anyway, I agree that stranger things have happened -- and we know how likely Ferengi are to end up in a wormhole.
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What was the accident that caused Quark and Company to travel back to Roswell? A similar incident could have occured.
The Caretaker could also have been to blame for some of this, which may, or may not, tie everything in to a nice little knot. Kind of like the book where Q was used to tie all kinds of things together.
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Interesting idea about the Caretaker - but how long had he been on the look out for new DNA or what ever he was doing - how long had he been abducting ships etc?
It would be interesting to find out what the Bajoran and Cardassian numbers were - cause I reckon that the Ferengi are quite close to the Bajorans and the Cardassians. Maybe an explanation as to why the Ferengi aren't seen again after "Aquisition" for a long time - the Cardassians expanded their "union" and became more militarily agressive. This became a barrier stopping any Ferengi movement in that general area.
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...Besides, the Borg have already been shown time-traveling. And we all know what that does to causality.
That kinked curve could be adjusted a bit without abandoning chronological order. Let's assume that a species is numbered when first encountered by the Borg. But in that case, we only have one solid datapoint, not two: we know the date of the 8472 encounter, but NOT the date of the 6339 one. Instead, Seven in "Infinite Regress" says the 6339 encountered the Borg four years prior, which isn't the same thing at all. The real 6339 datapoint could be centuries before the 6339 spotted their first drone, and centuries before the 8472 one.
OTOH, this still leaves the fact that Species 10026 was encountered prior to "Dark Frontier". So we still get a kink, just not necessarily in 2371 yet, but in 2373. Perhaps the Queen had something of a stutter that day, and meant Species 1026?
Another way to remove the kink from the curve would be to say that a stray Species 8472 individual had been spotted by the Borg in our universe sometime in the medieval times and duly recorded. Perhaps such an encounter was the very reason the Borg decided to try and enter the fluid realm?
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I like the chronological idea, but there must be other possible numbering systems as well as chronological or Borg-Dewey/Decimal.
What about: - Type of species (humaniod - variation from Species 1) - Mental ability: psionic ability, intelligence (Oops, no. Yes the Vulcans have a higher number, but so do the Ferengi - and they are neither more intelligent, not more psionic than humans).
- Technological: level of technology at time of assimilation)
- Distance from one of the transwarp hubs (first, last or NUMBER OF digits could indicate hub).
Any other ideas?
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