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Aethelwer
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But, again, if this were really a major interest of Janeway's we would have known about it.

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Elim Garak
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Not necessarily.
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Aethelwer
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With the level of detailed knowledge the episode gave her, we would have seen it somewhere along the line.

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I Agree , that was a real flub up by the writers , i think that maybe the writers of "11:59" tried to introduce some of that knowledge in one of Janeways descriptions of Shannon O'Donnel or somthing but it probably ended up on the cuting room floor somewhere I guess they finally tried for some continuity and they got shot down.

Well it looks like we havent seen the last of Fair Haven they will be coming back in "Spirt Folk" an episode which is scheduled to air on Feb 28, geez I hope they dont mmake this a reacurring theme.

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Well, yes, I know there are people who research their family history. I'm one of them. But that doesn't mean I know which direction a harp is supposed to point!

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But we HAVE seen Janeway's interests.

Firstly - a side note - her thorough search on her relatives in 11:59 might have sparked an intrest in Irish heratige...

Secondly - Remember her period Holonovel that she enjoyed in season 1!?! I mean it wasn't Irish - but It was set around the same time...

how soon we forget.

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Sol System
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I thought I would hate this one. I didn't. *shrug*

As for Janeway's alleged detailed knowledge of Ireland, I didn't see any evidence. She claimed to be interested in Irish history. That was about it, as far as I know.

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Aethelwer
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Andrew:

1) Well, technically, the ancestor in "11:59" was American, not Irish.

2) Yes, so?

Again, for the Irish history thing to have any relevance, we would have had to see it before. You can't just "tack on" character aspects, or else the character isn't the same one.

Sol:

The harp thing was a very specific detail.

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Ya - ok just taking things on is... tacky... but - Remember for 3 seasons we had Two producers saying - "we don't need back stories" Wasn't that Berman and Braga?

It was only Jeri Taylor that tried to give any character on Voyager some substance and the only outlet she had was books.

We should just count Voyager as starting from Season 4

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Elim Garak
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Maybe a) the harp symbol was a very important part of her family history or the general history of the time (I doubt it, but...), or b) she just has more of a fascination with 1860s Irish pubs than anything else!

How quickly we come to conclusions based on one comment.

Oh, and Neelix never once mentioned himself experiencing storms on Talax, let alone during his childhood. He said, "We had some nasty storms on Talax, too." IIRC. This implies many possible things: 1) There was a lack of storms on Rinax. 2) Neelix, like most people, will speak casually. ("We had some nasty storms last year in Ontario" might be something I'd say, actually, despite me not living there.) 3) It may be an error, but not a major one by far.


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Wha..? The harp was backwards. I could have told you that! Doesn't take much of a genius to figure that one out.

"Oh, by the way Mr. Paris, I think the ancient Irish only had two arms per torso."

"D'oh!"

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Aethelwer
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How would one know that the harp was backwards, though? Besides, then The Doctor made a big deal about how Janeway was the supreme expert on Irish history etc. etc.

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Elim Garak
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He said she had an interest, IIRC.
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Or maybe the writers flopped it trying to make a joke. You know, condemning a whole episode by the failure of one minutely trivial detail is like throwing the baby out with the bath water. I guess the world needs its pessimists.

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Sol System
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I can't believe we're discussing harps.

Look, harps have definite fronts and backs. When viewed from the back, a harp would look backwords.

Look here and here.

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