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Because it was, even with my tiny TV I noticed the disc/ring shaped housing on the bridge, without the odd superstructure on it as well. The best scene to notice it on was when the D7 flew up behind Voyager, a good clean shot, it has a smooth bridge sphere with the oddball ring housing.
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Since I won't see this episode for at least a year what is the name and class of the klingon ship. I would appreciate it very much so i can update my ship records.
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The ship was not given a name. Tuvok specified that it was a D-7, which I believe is the first time the term has been spoken in an episode. I couldn't really tell if it was the model Greg Jein made for "Trials and Tribble-ations," but if it was, then it would definitely be a D-7.
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So this was a smooth, TOS-style Klingon, not the model kit parts-encrusted ship built for ST:TMP? I thought D7 and K'tinga were different ships: D7 in TOS, K'Tinga in ST:TMP?
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Wasn't "D7" said on-screen in Trials and Tribble-ations?
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The ship Jein built was a hybrid, if you will. It was more detailed than the TOS model, but less detailed than the Motion Picture model. If Koloth's ship was referred to as a D-7, then the model they used in this episode could have been the same one. That would also mean that the Jein model is NOT a K'Tinga, and the TMP model IS.
There were no real closeups of the model in the episode, so as of now I can't say which model was used.
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One could say that there are at least four distinct versions of the battlecruiser:
1) The smooth TOS ship first seen in "Elaan of Troyius" (or "The Enterprise Incident", depending on airing order), never really named one way or the other (but Shatner and Nimoy apparently joked something about it being a D-7).
2) The more detailed Jein take on a TOS-era, explicitly called a D-7.
3) The smooth cartoon version with a protruding deflector and other differences, apparently called the D-5 (since Kor in DS9 said his old ship Klothos was of D-5 class, and he flew a ship named Klothos in TAS).
4) The upgraded version seen in TMP and other TOS movies, as well as in TNG and non-time-travel-DS9, apparently named K't'inga (but which episode actually uses this name?).
Of course, one could say that 1) and 2) are the same thing, and blame the low resolution of 2260s visual recorders for the smoothness of 1).
One could also assign D-designations to those ships that do not have them yet. If the TAS ship was a D-5 and the "Tribble-ations" ship was a D-7, then perhaps the TOS smooth ship was a D-6? And perhaps the K't'inga is a D-8, D-9, D-10, D-11..? It should probably precede D-12, though, since that designation was given in "Generations" to a largish BoP which would seem to have been introduced only after we saw K't'ingas for the first time.
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"T&T" was done completely with models, AFAIK. At least models were built for all the three vehicles seen.
It's difficult to say what the Voyager standard practices are, but I believe they would use models whenever those happened to already exist (as they do for the Klingon ship and for the Voyager herself). Only all-new designs would be done in pure CGI. It's probably still cheaper and/or faster to film things that way, unless the ships are supposed to perform complex space ballet or explode into detailed pieces.
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Umm, I saw Trials & Tribble-ations and to me, the K-7 station and the Enterprise looked, well, computer generated. Are you positive that they built models for that episode? Why would they go through the expense of building a new original E model, or a K-7 model if they could do it on the computer? I think it would be less costly that way. And didn't they use some completely CGI sequences of the E-B in Generations? That sort of takes apart the "if they have models they'll use 'em," theory. I also believe they do CGI work of Voyager herself for certain scenes in episodes.
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Pictures exist at The IDIC Page (don't know the URL offhand but you can search for it) of all the models from "Trials", proving that the physical models were actually built.
You have to remember that DS9 didn't use a lot of CGI before the war-arc in season 6. The only CGI models were a runabout, a Jem'Hadar attack ship, and the Defiant, and even these were used rarely compared to their physical equivalents. The fleet shot at the end of "A Call to Arms" was still pretty much all-model. The reason? I don't know, except that DS9 was originally envisioned as a model-show, which probably remained a tradition until the more complicated fleet shots in seasons 6 and 7 demanded a change in strategy, from all-model to all-CGI. It is also possible that the producers still didn't feel that CGI was up to it at that time.
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When I originally saw "T&T" I thought the ships and the station were computer-generated as well, but Timo is right: they were physical models. The fact that everyone thought the models were CGI is attributed to Greg Jein's modeling skills. Jein also seems to build his models because he wants to, not because they are actually needed or that he's getting a whole lot of money to do it. Sure, they could have made CGI models, but Jein probably said something to the effect of, "I really want to build these models, and although the money and man-hours for another person to do it would be higher than making them CGI, I'll do it for peanuts."
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