posted
Well, it just makes no sense to me, Raw Cadet, that people complain to death about the NX-01, and yet they'll turn right around and say they don't like the Daedalus either. So what exactly is it that you guys want?
-MMoM
[ June 30, 2002, 20:25: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
Registered: Jun 2001
| IP: Logged
BWC
Ex-Member
posted
I did a drawing of a TOS-ish NX 01. It looks pretty good, with the smooth hull. If you wanted me to, I could scan it in...
IP: Logged
posted
We must fear MMoM, for he has the divining rod of superior taste.
I hereby apologize for wrongthink.
-------------------- "I was surprised by the matter-of-factness of Kafka's narration, and the subtle humor present as a result." (Sizer 2005)
Registered: Mar 1999
| IP: Logged
Mim, I've noticed that quite a lot of our opinions make no sense to you. That's because people don't always think the way you think. Please don't presume to judge what others think just because it conflicts with your own mindset.
-------------------- "A film made in 2008 isn't going to look like a TV series from 1966 if it wants to make any money. As long as the characters act the same way, and the spirit of the story remains the same then it's "real" Star Trek. Everything else is window dressing." -StCoop
Registered: Jun 2000
| IP: Logged
posted
Dukkie, The_Tom, I'm not "judging" you, I'm disagreeing with you. My little three-point jibe was all in fun. Please, relax. We're all friends here...or at least I always thought so...
posted
C'mon, guys, give Mim a break. He's a nice enough guy. And he says "Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope: The Special Limited Edition Now Remastered On DVD."
That's worth some love.
Not loving. Just love.
Besides, a lot of what he said made some sense. Namely: that people complain to death about the NX-01, and yet they'll turn right around and say they don't like the Daedalus either. So what exactly is it that you guys want?
quote:Originally posted by Snay: C'mon, guys, give Mim a break. He's a nice enough guy. And he says "Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope: The Special Limited Edition Now Remastered On DVD
Don't be silly, Snay, I would never say such ridiculous thing.
posted
I know it was in fun, but I'd just like to add that the "love all of it or not of it" argument is heinously flawed. Almost all of us here are Trek fans. No one here loves every single thing about Star Trek.
That being said, I'll have to throw myself into the "likes the Daedalus" camp. It may just be that it has a resemblance to the Discovery, but I dig that little ship. I think it looks pretty neat, and I'd like to see a more detailed version of it on Enterprise.
-------------------- The philosopher's stone. Those who possess it are no longer bound by the laws of equivalent exchange in alchemy. They gain without sacrifice and create without equal exchange. We searched for it, and we found it.
Registered: Mar 1999
| IP: Logged
posted
Yeah, I don't have a problem with the Daedalus design itself, but I'd rather they take the same Matt Jeffries sketch Greg Jein worked from but make their own take on it, if they're going to use the ship at all. Realistically, it ain't gonna happen.
posted
What WILL happen sooner or later is that TPTB will show us a pre-NX-01 starship design. And when they get the urge to do so, they'll at some point ask Okuda whether there already exists a pre-NX-01 starship they could use. And Mike will say "nope" because in his books, the Daedalus is post-Enterprise.
Whether Mike or Doug or somebody else will then campaign for the use of the sphere-and-can design is a different matter. But even if they do, TPTB will just say "But you said there were no pre-NX-01 designs - where did this come from?". If Mike then says "Well, yeah, but this *looks* like it could be old", the best we can expect from TPTB is a half-hearted "Perhaps we can use some of those design elements". They won't buy the Daedalus, not after the initial rejection.
I see only one course of events that would lead Paramount to using the Daedalus in the sphere-and-can format. If they don't listen to their tech folks, they won't run across this design. If they do, they'll learn that it's slightly controversial as a pre-Enterprise, and will bolt.
But if the tech people just sort of smuggle the design into the show as a cute in-joke, *then* it might be possible to finally get the sphere-and-can design and the Daedalus name canonically combined. All it takes is a lull in CGI work and a bored yet knowledgeable employee...
quote: It really shows that the ship is CGI, at least the models after TOS look like they're real.
I'm not sure what you are actually referring to, but if it's the NX-Enterprise, I'd disagree. While statements like that are true for a lot of older CGI models, I find the NX totally convincing as a real ship.
quote: sphere-and-can format
I think that sums up my problems with the Daedalus class. It's horribly unbalanced, look cheap, and is, well, ugly. It has all the bad design elements of the NCC-1701 (which were largely corrected for the refit), and none of it's simple beauty and grace. And yes, I'm not keen on the Olympic-class either.
quote: Yes. The more TOS in Enterprise, the better.
Because the number of episodes in which a Daedalus-class ship was mentioned or seen in TOS numbers in the great numbers of highness.
-------------------- Yes, you're despicable, and... and picable... and... and you're definitely, definitely despicable. How a person can get so despicable in one lifetime is beyond me. It isn't as though I haven't met a lot of people. Goodness knows it isn't that. It isn't just that... it isn't... it's... it's despicable.
Registered: Mar 1999
| IP: Logged
posted
If they ever show one of the older, slower Earth Starfleet ships, they DO have some previous designs to work from. There is the triangular ship from the intro, the Conestoga and the Y class. It's interesting to note that the Conestoga bears resemblance to the Phoenix and the very obscure Valiant design from the Ency, and the Y class resembles some elements of the DY-100 model.
I think that any new old Starfleet ship we see will be a completely new design, probably based on earlier ENT work, and not on the Daedalus. Perhaps they DO realise the Daedalus is a later design?
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
![[Confused]](confused.gif)
![[Frown]](frown.gif)
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Printer-friendly view of this topic
