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Well, seeing how Equinox is a science ship, she probably has some damned good sensors. She was most likely sent to search the Badlands after Voyager was lost. My guess is that the Caretajer doesn't just pluck ships, he just leaves big wormholes in space to swallow up anyone who wonders by. The Equinox probably fell in too
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As much as I like to be contrary, I don't have a problem with this ship resembling our plucky little, never really built, Defiant pre-design.
At any rate, the ship had to be grabbed before Voyager, because there wouldn't be any Caretaker to grab it after. It didn't make permenant spatial phenomena.
The loss of the Equinox doesn't seem like that big of a deal, anyway. Starfleet knew the Badlands were dangerous because they had lost ships there before. Enter Equinox. Though I do agree that someone should have said something to Sisko onscreen. But I'm sure he knew about it offscreen.
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I don't like it. I don't mean the design (not that I like that, either), but rather the fact that they used the Defiant pathfinder. If the pathfinder had been that good, they would have built it instead of the Defiant. However, they apparently improved on the design (creating the Defiant), and then said "Ah, let's go ahead and build this old, un-improved design, as well." IMO, that's dumb.
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Several points I would like to make- 1. The USS Equinox came before the USS Voyager. I believe the correct date of the USS Equinox's transportation to the DQ could be as early as 2367. My reasoning-in a second season episode of Voyager, Tuvix said that there was no record of a missing Federation ship. (I believe the episode is where Seska sent a fake transmission with a Starfleet signature. Signature was similar to Starfleet codes that were sent about a month before the USS Voyager was lost.) From the process regarding the USS Voyager's case, Starfleet takes about three to four years to confirm that a starship has gone missing and that there is no hope of recovering said vessel. Translation-all ships were accounted for. The USS Equinox was viewed destroyed or permanently lost by Starfleet. 2. The Caretaker died in the pilot and his station destroyed. BTW, he may have been curious about the crew of the USS Equinox and humans in general. In 2367 or 2368, there was no need for him to analyze the crew's DNA in great detail as he did with the USS Voyager and Chakotay's ship. 3. Neelix had no knowledge of another Federation ship. We know from his history that he had recently settled in the graveyard in 2371. 4. The USS Equinox had about eight years to get where she is currently present. Look how far the USS Voyager has gotten in five years.
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Say Team A is working on the Defiant project. They come up with a design, the pathfinder version, but later discard it in favor of the Defiant as we know it. Along comes Team B. I doubt the work of Team A just vanished into thin air. Team B sees the pathfinder, says "Gee, with some modification, that design would work really well with our design brief for a new science vessel. Let's run with it."
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Well, my impression was that the pathfinder was simply a very early version of the Defiant which was simply modified beyond recognition beofre being approved. Correct me if I'm wrong...
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I see it much the same way that Sol does. There's no reason to scrap a perfectly good body idea simply because you've found a more appropriate place for the innards...
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I'm going to go ahead and quote directly from the tech. manual. Probably do us all some good to see what exactly we're dealing with.
"The Defiant project, overseen by Admiral Batelle Toh of the ASDB, began with the selection of an existing spacecraft design that had just entered the initial systems-level review stage. No spaceframe had yet been constructed, and the hull shape was undergoing warp field interaction simulations."
So we've got an existing design, being simulated but not yet built.
"When the Borg threat drove the redesign of the pathfinder vessel, it was decided to compact the planform with warp nacelles and other structures..."
The pathfinder wasn't redesigned because of a flaw in the design, but because it wasn't suited for combat against the Borg. The original design could have gone back into the design pool, to be grabbed by those working on the Nova project.
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Well said, Sol. Besides, we all know that what really matters is that the ship looks good, which it does in this case. I'd rather look at an unrealistic swan than a super-real cardboard box, if you get my drift.
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Who says that "cardboard boxes" or "wood chunks" are the only possible realistic look for a starship?
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Nobody, it's kind of a joke....all I'm trying to say is that (in my mind at least), asthetic design is much more important than technical continuity.
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I'm relieved you don't take it so seriously. It sounded a bit like a "Star Destroyers are the ultimate design" argument.
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