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Doesn't that depend on when the model was built? If it, like the others, were all slapped together at once and then put in episodes as needed, I suppose it may have a "silly" name like some of the others. On the other hand, the Centaur's appearance was different enough from the others (even the Curry) to suggest, to me at least, that it may have been purpose-built, in which case there is a possibility it may say Centaur on it. But I suppose the former scenerio is more likely.
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There's also the chance that the ships were prepared during the hiatus, with the names and regos we see in the pictures, and then the VFX little people or the mighty producers or somebody in between picked one or two for close-up roles. The Excelsior-Miranda could have been renamed and even re-registered for her big "Centaur" scenes. So two names for that model.
The Raging Queen might also have been rearranged into the Curry after the photo session, say, if there were problems in lighting the nacelles - somebody could just have grabbed a pair of yer standard Miranda kit nacelles which can be lit using transparent warp grilles, instead of the fluorescent paint trick, and bolted those onto the model...
(I don't know whether the VFX folks would have access to transparent field windows for the Miranda, though. I think the kit comes with oblique ones (that is, simple two-piece nacelles), and these people may not have heard of Thomas Models and the like.)
I trust Mark will tell us all we need to know soon enough or then receive proper comeuppance for raising false hopes.
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First of all, I have to say that I'm very pleased that the Magazine is finally attempting to get things right, based on the info that we fans have at our disposal.
Second, I doubt that the Centaur was relabeled from its original name. I got the impression from DD that there was really no time to dilly-dally, as far as shooting was concerned. Plus, we never see the top of the Centaur's saucer anyway, so the name wouldn't have made any difference. I think "Centaur" was just the name in the script, and the VFX guys just chose a model to represent it. They could just as easily have chosen the Elkins or the Connie variant.
Third, I really don't think the Raging Queen and the Curry are the same model. I have good screencaps that show that the Curry's saucer has different battle damage in different places than the Queen, especially at the rear of the saucer. So it wasn't just a slight rearrangement of the nacelles, as far as differences go. It's a different model with a similar configuration. I could have sworn someone here had Dan Curry's email address. I would love to ask him about the model, providing that he would actually reply to my email.
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The Centuar out of all of them except for the Ragin Queen and Curry, seems to be an actual designed class, whereas the others were just 'kitbashed' design.
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quote:Originally posted by Cherry Dukhat: I really don't think the Raging Queen and the Curry are the same model. I have good screencaps that show that the Curry's saucer has different battle damage in different places than the Queen, especially at the rear of the saucer. So it wasn't just a slight rearrangement of the nacelles, as far as differences go. It's a different model with a similar configuration.
I agree. I've got "ATtS" on video tape and you can clearly see the difference in battle damage.
quote:Originally posted by The Red Admiral: The Centaur also appeared in 'Blaze of Glory', and in that episode it did seem quite a large ship from what I could tell/guess in compaison to the Starbase it was alongside. I'd have to agree with other comments that it's saucer is approximately the same size as an Excelsior's.
I thought the only other appearance of the Centaur besides "A Time to Stand" was "Behind the Lines". Are you really thinking of "Blaze of Glory"? Can someone confirm this?
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You might be right, but my own screencap I believe came from 'Blaze of Glory', but I can't remember for sure. It's orbiting starbase 375, right? (bottom RH corner)
I scaled the roll bar from my Miranda mesh alongside the dorsal view of the Centaur model. Taking Miranda scaling into account the Centaur comes in at 225M. That's just too small. There are still problems resolving whether this is an actual class or not...
But I am forced to conclude that the Miranda roll bar resemblance is merely a coincidence, simply because they cannot be scaled alongside the Excelsior components inherent in this design. We (I) have to for now ignore the modelling inconsistencies and say that the Centaur pylons are of similar shape to the Miranda roll bar, but are in fact custom made pylons for this [class of] ship.
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Well, I think it's a real class too (also that 'Constant class' one). Compared to the other kits-bashes it's too, well, nice. I'm also in favour of the larger version, simply because it's easier to belive that the Miranda rollbar was scaled up than an entire saucer section was. As for the greeblies, they could be EW stuff; either an upgrade or else special loadout for a particular mission. Also, as regards the pod, it almost seems in 'A Time to Stand' as if the torpedo comes out of the bottom of the pod, as it'd have to to avoid hitting the saucer; so presumeably there're angled launchers in there.
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I'd just like to take this oppertunity to look at the Centaur's forward shuttlebay/deflector contraversy. I've heard people say that it has to be a deflector because it's far too small, even for one of the Defiant's shuttlepods. Well I tested this theory and found that this structure can indeed cope with a standard shuttle.
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Both Centaur models (the 'real' one and M&M's CGI one) have a lot of greebles on the pylons. Enough, I think, to say they 'really' aren't Miranda bars.
Actually.. the CGI has quite different pylons than the rollbar. They seem to have some kind of inset details.
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The shuttlebay on the Centaur is exactly the same size as the shuttlebay on the back of any Excelsior. How could it be too small?
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quote:Originally posted by The Red Admiral: You might be right, but my own screencap I believe came from 'Blaze of Glory', but I can't remember for sure. It's orbiting starbase 375, right? (bottom RH corner)
I think you're getting some of the titles confused. "Blaze of Glory" was the late fifth season episode about Eddington and the phantom missiles that were supposedly launched by Maquis survivors. The one where Eddington was killed at the end. "Behind the Lines" was the episode where Sisko was promoted to become Admiral Ross's adjutant, and Dax took the Defiant off to attack that Dominion sensor array.
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Ah, right you are. I was getting those mixed up, even though I've got them on tape up on the shelf with all the others, and have seen them many times, I haven't seen either for a while. I had made some caps of the starbase from 'Blaze of Glory', and had automatically associated the Centaur/starbase cap with that episode. Sorry, my error.
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quote:Originally posted by TSN: The shuttlebay on the Centaur is exactly the same size as the shuttlebay on the back of any Excelsior. How could it be too small?
My thought exactly, but I have heard people claim that a shuttle could never fit inside it. This assumption may stem from the MSD in "Generations" which has the structure acting purely as a cargo bay.
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