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Starship Freak
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So, I capped the episode. Check out the "Iceland"- and Intrepid-type here listed as earth starfleet type 1 and 2 from "Twilight", with the fleet further down as fleet from "Twilight:
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And a breakdown of the ships at:
"Twilight" ships

So, any guesses as to the identity? Any new ships in there?

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Akyazi !!

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Dukhat
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Yeah, I thought the same thing.

Observe:

http://www.gilsostartrekschematics.co.uk/fanbprints/periaction/akyazi/akyazischemtop.jpg

And after seeing the FF diagrams of the Hazari ship, I concur that it is indeed a reuse. So we've got Enterprise, Intrepid, two "Icelands", two Y-classes, a J-class, a Hazari, and what else?

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The Mighty Monkey of Mim
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There is at least one (and I think 2) of the Arctic One-type design from "Regeneration" (ENT). And if the other one is indeed the Axanar vessel from "Fight Or Flight," then it's a nice (though perhaps not entirely intentional) bit of continuity, as IIRC the Axanar were supposed to join the Federation at some point, right?

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Well... we don't know that. We only know Captain Garth led some victory against someone at Axanar, and that the outcome of the battle led to Spock and Kirk "being able to work together". And a young Kirk attended the Axanar peace mission and got a medal.

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Wasn't there a map on DS9 that showed Axanar inside Federation space?

Also, though it wouldn't be strictly canon of course, doesn't Star Charts list it as a UFP member?

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Indeed it does, but then it also lists the Ba'ku as being members.
So Axanar could be either a full member or just a protectorate.

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Axanar is like Puerto Rico.
Sure they're an independant country.
Sure they are.

Here's aquestion: does the forward half of the Intrepid's nacelles connect with the saucer or are they just very very very close?
I see no pylon attachment in any stillframe there and there seems to be all the shadow of it not being attached.

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I don't think they're attached. . .

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They aren't attached, no.

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This guy , who posts on the TrekBBS, has HDTV and does the most awesome screencaps I've yet seen. For pics of the Intrepid and triangular ships, go down to the bottom to the sub-gallery labeled "Xindi Battle."

I've requested caps of the refugee fleet from him as well.

-MMoM [Big Grin]

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Is it just me or does one of the triangle shaped ships look like a Romulan warbird (like the kind seen in "Minefield" and TOS?

And those HDTV screencaps are very nice. [Smile]

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Agreed about the warbird thing. Up-swept engine pylons on the primary hull aren't typical for Fed/Earth designs at all - only ENT seems to show those.

The Intrepid has a nice "steamship" feeling IMHO. The ribbed nacelle design, the metal finish, the overall clumsiness of nacelle placement... She's like something Matt Jeffries could have come up with. Install swept pylons for sleeker nacelles mounted farther aft, and the Intrepid would look like a 24th century vessel, though.

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Speaking of Jefferies, is he still alive?

I'm alittle partial to the triangle ship myself.

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Jefferies passed away January of this year, IIRC.

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