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Yes - I meant when they abandoned the Station... (re: The Visitor and Danube aft windows)
I think that the rectangular window is a strong candidate for it to be a Sydney Class vessel - AND maybe Sydney class ships are full of holodecks? They did stop off at Blue Horizon on their way to DS9 - so maybe it was the same ship that travelled Earth->Blue Horizon, Blue Horizon->Bajor/DS9.
------------------ "All the lonely people, where do they all come from" - Eleanor Rigby, The Beatles.
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Shipboard holodecks are supposedly new in 2364, so I wouldn't expect to see them refitted aboard old tramps like Sydneys very soon. OTOH, "Emissary" isn't "very soon"... And holodeck tech was probably first developed as a civilian technology before accepted by Starfleet.`A Sydney might actually have had a primitive pre-"11001001" holodeck before the Enterprise!
I'd still suggest that the ship Sisko used was not a Sydney, but a newer transport type. Was it civilian or Starfleet?
Pro Civilian, con Starfleet: Holodecks in an extremely prominent place near the boarding gangway, said gangway has a huge and vulnerable window next to it, the fact that the ship made a non-Starfleet-sounding stop at Blue Horizon, some civilian-looking passengers aboard
Con Civilian, pro Starfleet: Enters a potential war zone, goes to a star system with which UFP has no regular trade, Sisko personally notified of arrival by the crew through Starfleet communicators, passengers all look like Earth humans who wouldn't have a business here unless coming with Starfleet blessing
Pro Neither: Alien ships still made regular runs to Bajor during occupation; perhaps Starfleet used one to transport Sisko?
Con Neither: If this was an alien liner that made regular trips to Bajor, why did it have that Fed-model holodeck?
Timo Saloniemi
[This message has been edited by Timo (edited January 12, 2000).]
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Well, the ship that Sisko and Jake were on would then be the same class as the USS Raven then. It's somewhat a new ship class or something.
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Okay, how about an Intrepid Class or Yeager Class?
------------------ Show me the meaning of being lonely Is this the feeling, I need to walk in Tell me why I can't be there where you are There's something missing in my heart
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But the windows kind of look like it came from an Intrepid saucer or engineering hull. Where are the holodecks on the Intrepid Class?
------------------ Show me the meaning of being lonely Is this the feeling, I need to walk in Tell me why I can't be there where you are There's something missing in my heart
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Hey the Sydney is a relatively big ship - and what is to say that Sydney class ships can't be upgraded!?! thats crazy to say the ships built way back when have to keep the same tech as the day they were built - I reckon that Holodecks would be a major component of Transport ships.
------------------ "All the lonely people, where do they all come from" - Eleanor Rigby, The Beatles.
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It's near-impossible to say what the ship would look like from the outside, just by looking inside. Old ships could have refitted holodecks. The corridors of a movie era or even TOS era liner could certainly be changed to look like those walked by Sisko. The window need not be a real window - in the very same episode, we see Sisko's cabin aboard the Saratoga, and it has a window that cannot be found on the outside of the ship.
But the ship cannot be a fighting vessel serving in Starfleet (no Intrepid or Yeager). If she were, and she were slower than the E-D, then she would be the closest Starfleet ship to DS9 when the Cardassians strike and not the E-D (although she might not be the first capable of returning). If she were faster than the E-D (like an Intrepid might be), she would be the first to arrive to help the station (although she might not be the nearest when the Cardassians strike). She ought to be an unarmed or weakly armed ship, leaving the E-D the only credible piece of Starfleet hardware in the region.
Damn you, Aban... you always ask very good questions that are impossible to aswer conclusively! Oh, well, at least we get 58-reply threads instead of abortive ones...
Timo Saloniemi
[This message has been edited by Timo (edited January 13, 2000).]
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I'll take that as a compliment Timo, and Damn you too cause you always come up some fairly well thought out answers =)
I guess I would have to agree with the fact that this is probably a civilian ship given facts like "they stopped at Blue Horizon on the way" and "the Ent-d was still the closest ship". It's probably something we haven't seen yet since the set designers were told to make it look obviously different from the Ent D.
------------------ "A gathering of Angels appeared above my head. They sang to me this song of hope, and this is what they said..." -Styx
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I think this is already really off topic, but I didn't want to start a thread just for this one question.
What about these strange windows Timo mentioned (in Sisko's quarters abort the Saratoga)? I turned my Miranda model inside out and upside down, but I haven't got any clue as to where this window is supposed to be.
Any ideas, or should we suppose that this is just another one of those dreadful 'minor glitches' in Star Trek continuity and attention to detail?
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Well, be careful about what you believe with AMT or Monogram models. They are usually not correct enough to base much of anything on. However, I don't believe these windows show up on the Reliant model either (which was modified to become the Saratoga). I suppose we could assume that the Saratoga differs slightly from the Reliant with regard to some of it's windows. We never really saw the Saratoga all that well. Whatever the case, the windows in his quarters certainly didn't look all that sturdy!
------------------ "A gathering of Angels appeared above my head. They sang to me this song of hope, and this is what they said..." -Styx
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*would like to see someone turn a ship model inside-out* ;-)
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Timo, come again? I was saying that the ship that Sisko, arrived on was definately not The Enterprise-D - it was already there when Sisko got there... and it wasn't the Oberth Class ship that Julian and Jadzia arrived on.
You then said that Sydney class ships wouldn't have Holodecks!?! Thats crazy - since all they have to do is install one!
We definately can't find out from that scene what the outside looked like - but we know that what ever ship it is it has to have a rectangular window and room for a holodeck/holosuite. Plus the ship in question has a grey colour scheme. And IF it was the same ship that Sisko and Jake took all the way from Earth - it stopped at Blue Horizon.
------------------ "All the lonely people, where do they all come from" - Eleanor Rigby, The Beatles.
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