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Ok, I am trying to make sense of the Peregrine headache, so exactly how many different ships have been described on screen as Peregrine? I am trying to put together some BS to make sense of it all, so if anybody has theory by all means share it. I apologize if this starts a heated debate.
I also would like to know if anybody has schematic of peregrine that they would let me use on my webpage. I of course will site the source with credit in the admiralty and a link to their page.
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Well the way I think of it , this is actually a huge misunderstanding between the makers of the Encyclopedia and some internet ST webmasters.
Let me take it from the Top. If you look in the St encyclopedia under Academy Trainer you will find a picture of a small fighter like craft with the Academy logo on it this is infact the Peregrine Class Fighter from "Heart of Stone" [DS9] now the real confusion came when alot of the trek websites listed the Maquis raider from "Cartaker" [VOY] as the peregrine class , anyway thats my thoery im not entirly sure.
Here's a picture of what i believe to be a Peregrine Class fighter.
This is a scan of the Academy Trainer from the ST Encyclopedia you can see the similarities.
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Your right, the Peregine is the fighter used in Sacrifice of Angels, and the What you leave behind. The encyclopedia was wrong by calling it a trainer.
The Maquis raider is the larger "fighter" or raider since it carried up to 5-7 maquis not exactly sure, in Cartaker.
Now both of these ships appeared in the episode TNG where ensign Ro goes to the maquis. THe Peregine is the ship that has the pictures above, now in this episode the Caretaker "maquis raider" was the original model, it was later changed and enlarged for the raider in Cartaker.
So here is a summary
there are 2 ships the official Stafleet Fighter the Peregine (ds9) Sacrifice of Angels, What you leave behind (TNG) episode where Ro leaves Stafleet
Cartaker "maquis raider" only seen once in Star Trek Voyager's Caretaker, then destroyed (Voy) Caretaker ****This ship was a modified model of the other maquis ship used in the TNG episode where Ro leaves Starfleet
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Er... Part of what they've said is right. But there's nothing definitive to say that that ship is the Peregrine. In "Heart of Stone", someone mentions that the Maquis are using modified Peregrine-class couriers. However, there was no ship shown on screen in reference to this name.
Some sources (at least one of Okuda, Sternabch, or Stipes, I'm not sure which) say that the fighters used in the battles scenes of the Dominion War are probably the Perries. But, like I said, nothing definitive. However, most people have accepted this idea. If this is ever fixed in the encyclopedia, or in a tech manual, it will probably say that the fighters are Peregrines.
But, then, the Peregrine could just as easily be something we've never seen before. The assignation of the name to the fighters simply stems from people's desire to match known names to known ships. Since we know the Maquis used ships like the Fed fighters, it was a logical, if unprovable, solution. Believe what you will.
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It's of interest that in "Heart of Stone", a modified Peregrine class courier is supposed to be pilotable by a single fellah. So it cannot really be the same ship flown by Chakotay in "Caretaker" and Eddington and friends in "For the Uniform", since Chakotay required a crew of at least three to fight with his ship (he could ram it into the Kazon alone, though).
Anyway, while the DS9 finale doesn't mention the name Peregrine, it at least seems to establish that the little fighter formations are called "tactical wings" (nomenclature used in many earlier episodes but never explained). As things are going badly, Sisko asks such units to escort his ship through the battle, but finds out that attrition has been too high and the formations are no longer effective. A DS9 "tactical wing" seems to be a group of something like five to ten fighters.
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The thing is... that the peregrine from Heart of Stone was able to land on the planetoid... although maybe a la "Chimera" the female changeling was actually the ship...
If it was a real ship - those wings must be able to lift up... or there are landing pads.
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I would go with the landing pads idea. If the Danube Class, the Defiant Class, the Intrepid Class, and the various shuttles can land on planetary surfaces, I would think that the Peregrine Class could do the same.
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I'd suggest folding wings. If you put a seam just inboard of those wing cannon, you get a flat underside for the entire craft. It can rest on those strange corrugated pads that are used on the shuttles and runabouts - they need not extend much, just twenty centimeters to protect the nose phaser, less if the nose phaser retracts at landing.
While folding wings may not be the most practical solution out there, they nicely associate the craft with naval fighters, an association that certainly is well-founded in light of the role of these craft in the DS9 battles. Plus, it might be visually impressive. The wings would power-fold as the craft approaches ground or the shuttlebay doors; they'd come to rest against the angled surfaces of the crosswise hull beam aft of the cabin. The pads would extend slightly, and the craft would settle down with a sigh of vapors from the underside of the aft engine blocks...
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Well the folding wing idea would fit for the Maquis fighter... it has those streaked sections at the top of each 'wing' - like the Klingon Bird-of-prey... that would assist in folding...
The Maquis ship looks like the Federation's answer to the BOP...
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As TSN and others have said already, there is no canon evidense that either of the two ships in question is the Peregrine Class. However, the Monogram model of Chakotay's Maquis Raider has a little paragraph about the ship and says that it is a Peregrine Class ship. I know that this is hardly canon, but they had to get their info from somewhere, and I would think that it would have had to have been approved by one of TPTB.
Plus, the ship looks like a friggin' bird!!! A Peregrine is a bird...the ship looks like a bird...that always seemed to me to be an "on purpose" kind of thing.
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I prefer to go the save way, and completely ignore the word Perigrine in any designation. We've seen it used only ones, and did not get to see a ship. That's all we have...
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bonecrusher: I believe the SF fighter is the one in question (the folding wings).
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