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Actually this is my first effort because my knowledge of the interior layout is somewhat limited. I don't really have a background in CAD or physics, so I am already at disadvantage to many people on the this forum. My artistic skills are equally limited, but with a lot of effort sometimes I can pull things off. I am still refining the layout, so don't be supprised at the change of some minor details. I really appreciate all the help and the encouragement from everybody.
Does anybody know where I could find some CGI of the raider, or screen captures for episodes? that they would let me post on the raider page.
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Silly ME! I didn't realise if you right clicked you could ZOOM right in! You don't loose any detail either!
Andrew
------------------ "...it might be easier to study ancient societies from distant orbit than it might be to sit next to the Guardian of Forever with a tricorder." - Baloo, January 2000
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Ok, once upon a time I remember seeing Chakotay's ship in several different DS9 episodes, but I can't remember which ones, so if someone would be so kind as to state them or point me in the right direction I would be most grateful.
Star Trek Ships: Expanded Peregrine Class Courier
DS9 "The Maquis, Part I" Modified DS9 "The Maquis, Part I" [ 2 ] DS9 "The Maquis, Part II" Modified DS9 "Heart of Stone" Maquis raider DS9 "For the Cause" Maquis raider Captain Michael Eddington DS9 "For the Uniform" Maquis raider Destroyed by USS Defiant DS9 "For the Uniform" [ 6 ] DS9 "A Time to Stand" [ 16+ ] (part of the Federation force to retake Deep Space Nine; outnumbered 2:1) DS9 "Favor the Bold" [ 15+ ] (part of the Federation force to retake Deep Space Nine; at least four destroyed) DS9 "Sacrifice of Angels" [ 7+ ] DS9 "What You Leave Behind" Destroyed DS9 "What You Leave Behind" Peregrine Type (Nemecek) [ Oval-nosed shape used in TNG/VOY ] [ 9 ] TNG "Preemptive Strike" Ro Laren, pilot Abandoned; recovered by USS Enterprise TNG "Preemptive Strike"
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Joe Creighton's list requires a bit of adjusting... Perhaps the following abbreviations could be used:
-TM for the type introduced in "The Maquis", later used in the Dominion war as well -PS for the type introduced in "Preemptive Strike" -CT for the type introduced in "Caretaker"; modified from PS
Also, [V] would be inserted when we actually see a visual of the ship.
Then the list would read:
[2]TM[V] DS9 "The Maquis, Part II"
[4+]PS[V] [4+]TM[V] TNG "Preemptive Strike" -one piloted by Ro Laren, abandoned and captured by E-D
[1]? DS9 "Heart of Stone" -single-pilot craft called "modified Peregrine-class courier", but not seen
[1]CT[V] VOY "Caretaker" -more than 30 crew, destroyed by ramming to Kazon ship
[1]CT or PS [barely glimpsed] DS9 "For the Cause"
[2]CT[V] DS9 "For the Uniform" -one captained by Michael Eddington, one destroyed by the Defiant
[6]TM[V] DS9 "A Time to Stand"
[16+]TM[V] DS9 "Favor the Bold"
[15+]TM[V] DS9 "Sacrifice of Angels" -called "interceptor"; at least four destroyed
[7+]TM[V] DS9 "What You Leave Behind" -part of "tactical attack wings"
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Well, as if the topic wasn't already confusing enough, consider this...
The Yeager class starship's butt looks alot like a scaled up version of Chakotay's ship (because in reality it is exactly that). Perhaps there are actually 3 scales of this equipment, the small fighter size seen in Preemptive, the Chakotay size from Caretaker, and an even larger size designed for use on the Yeager Class.
The whole point of this post is that the use of a third size of this type equipment lends creedance to the fact that there are several versions ships that look like Chakotay's though only one of them may or may not be a Peregrine class...
------------------ "A gathering of Angels appeared above my head. They sang to me this song of hope, and this is what they said..." -Styx
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Has anybody considered the fact that in real life there are several falcons that are confuse with being Peregrines. I doubt that it was a strategic plot to mislead fans, but the comparison remains valid.
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Er... Ah... What comparison, again? People can't tell birds apart now, so they can't tell ships apart in the future?
------------------ Col. Maybourne: "Teal'c... It's good to see you well." Teal'c: "In my culture, I would be well within my rights to dismember you." -Stargate SG-1: "Touchstone"
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The comparison of people's difficulty in discerning which of three designs is the actual Peregrine class ship ,and difficulty in identifying whether a falcon is in fact a Peregrine falcon. lol...take it easy TSN, I was just trying to lighten the mood a little. I apologize if it came off a little harsh. I swear we all take this ship design thing way too seriously. If anything I was hoping you would have pointed out that this instance of confusion lends credibility to the concept of only one ship being the Peregrine. ------------------ http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/9268/index.html
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Yes! Exactly - and since that in "Heart of Stone" the Peregrine class courier - as Odo called it housed - 1 life form and one 'statis chamber'... and landed on the planetoid. AND Odo and Kira had no qualms about chasing it... in a runabout - so that knocks out the Yeager sized and Chakotay sized potential peregrines.
so it could either be the attack fighter seen numerous times during the Dominion war i.e. in Operation Return or whatever or the smallest version of the Peregrine - seen in "Pre-emptive" that has a small window instead of several windows in the 'bridge' section - and the DS9 'gang' took on such ships in The Maquis Part II... in runabouts...
Its one of these two...
I'm leaning towards the Ro Laren ship from Pre-emptive.
Andrew
------------------ "...it might be easier to study ancient societies from distant orbit than it might be to sit next to the Guardian of Forever with a tricorder." - Baloo, January 2000
One of the peregrine-designs has two small knobs on the nose. Since they look kinda like the knobs on the shoulders of the Defiant I have a dream of an upgraded peregrine with a pair of pulse-phasers in the nose. Am I the only one here?
------------------ An arboretum? On the Defiant? If you were any other man I would kill you where you stand!
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I'm coming to think that the fighters we saw in "Maquis pt II" and the DS9 war episodes have nothing to do with Peregrines whatsoever.
These fighters have never been referred to as couriers, and frankly, they do not look as if they could perform that mission (which would involve carrying not only information but also small parcels and people at high speeds). They seem like pure military machines, lacking even the amenities of a runabout.
OTOH, both the smaller ("Preemptive Strike") and larger ("Caretaker", "For the Cause", "For the Uniform") versions of the Maquis ships that have the pressing-iron bow shape could very well be courier vessels, since both have sufficient internal space. We know the Peregrine is a modified courier pilotable by a single person - the smaller ship would fit the bill, and could also carry the stasis chamber since the interior is the roomy "alien shuttle" interior familiar from TNG.
We also know that an "auxiliary courier" was used for an attack in "The Maquis pt I". Chakotay's ship was nearly 40 years old, certainly enough to relegate the design to the "auxiliary" category.
So I'd say that the smaller ship from "Preemptive Strike" is the one and only Peregrine class ship, while the other designs are still pending a canonical name. And all the better that way, since if several different ships were called Peregrines, that would mean less chances to apply cool new names. Things like "Falcon class" or "Eagle class" or "Sparrowhawk class" must be in use somewhere in Starfleet...
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Dodo class... not seen for a while that one
------------------ "...it might be easier to study ancient societies from distant orbit than it might be to sit next to the Guardian of Forever with a tricorder." - Baloo, January 2000
potential peregrines.
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