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Constitution I WISH! "No, we'll send one botched constitution-design, one scrapped Excelsior-template, three scrapped Galaxy-concepts and the Saratoga. Against the most intelligent tactical ship ever. And let's put 80% power to shields, 19% to environmental controls, so as to breathe REALLY fresh air, and 1% to phasers, and we'll just hope their disruptor energy runs out before our shields do. And remember, NO TORPEDOS! It wouldn't be good sportsmanship."
"Well, that's it then. Attack pattern...hmmm...ALPHA! That'll have them confused."
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Dammit, JeffKardde, I thought you were going to resurrect this thread 'cause you had more info about the Wolf 359 ships, but instead you're talkin' about the Dominion.
@#@$%&*@!!!
(just kidding )
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Assuming we want to preserve the notion from the TNG tech manual about six Galaxies being constructed originally, there may or may not be one to spare for Hanson to command.
It can't be: Enterprise (Like, duh) Odyssey Yamato Venture Galaxy Challanger (If we want to assume, from its registry, that it was part of the original set.)
That's six ships. But there is one other. The Trinculo. I can't seem to remember where it's from. That is, I know it appeared on Okuda's infamous convention tour (or think I know), but what episode was it supposedly from?
Anyway, again if we want to preserve the tech manual notion, it seems that there are not any Galaxies to spare. However, we do have the six partially constructed ships, also from the manual. It is possible one of these was put together as a replacement for the Yamato, which would give us one unnamed vessel free for Hanson to get blown up in.
Of course, we could just as easily say that one or more of the known ships are not original build Galaxies at all. Or we could just toss out the whole six ship paradigm completely.
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Can I inquire how we can rule out the Galaxy and Venture?
Enterprise-D is obvious, she was too far away.
Odyssey is obvious too, as far as I know, no ships escaped Wolf 359, so if she'd been there, she'd be dead (and we need her alive to die at the "hands" of the Jem'Hadar four years later)
Challenger is obvious too, for her appearance in the VOY ep and the reasons listed above.
The Yamato's already gone to that great Starship Junkyard in the Sky.
But ... we've no info on the Galaxy ('cept that she was the proto-type) or the Venture (which I don't recall being mentioned at all). Why couldn't it have been one of these two?
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Both the Galaxy and the Venture were in various episodes of DS9. The Trinculo is in the same boat as the Leeds; it's what the Galaxy studio model was last known to be labelled.
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Ah, I remember now. Worf is offered the Tac post on the Venture in WotW, right? Um. How do we know the Venture was one of the original six?
And, I got the impression that Hanson was on the bridge of a ship -- I assumed the Melbourne. I take it this was not in fact the case?
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Maybe Hanson's an old fashioned kinda' guy!
So, what evidence is there that a Galaxy-Class was even AT Wolf 359? I mean, come to think of it, even if Hanson had been on one, do you think he woulda been on the saucer section's ready room? Presumably, the ship would have a large civilian population aboard, so the saucer should have been seperated (unless Keogh, jr. was aboard) -- so Hanson, if anything, should have been on a Stardrive Section Ready Room.
But I digress.
I'd agree that he was probably on the Melbourne during the crisis, which would explain the older style bridge design -- the Excelsior-Class is predominantly movie.
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However if we are to assume the Melborne was Excelsior class with the 60000 range reg number, she would have been too modern to have the movie-style display graphics. Instead she would have had the TNG-style graphics.
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Galaxy: none of them (unless that was her outside the windows in "Booby Trap" holodeck scenes).
Yamato: "Where Silence Has Lease" (fake ship created by an alien), "Contagion" (real ship, destroyed in the episode - Captain Varley, Science Officer Ramsay, IIRC).
The other three Galaxies mentioned by name outside TNG were the late Odyssey (DS9 "Jem'Hadar"), Venture (DS9 "Way of the Warrior") and Challenger (VOY "Timeless") - and IIRC the Galaxy was spotted in the battle of Chin'toka in "Tears of the Prophets". The rest of the Galaxies seen didn't probably even have names and registries on their hulls.
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Wasn't there some with black backs in there? If I were to change the Galaxy-look to a more modern, revised look I would also do something along those lines. Does anyone have any pictures of these "blackbacks"? I can't take screencaps from the eps...
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The Melbourne could have had a refit twenty-years earlier and still been performing up to specs. The Ent-C graphics weren't that much different so that idea might work, yes?
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