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Umm, the Saratoga, Bellerophon, and Bonestell were all seen in Emissary, not BoBW; therefore that piece of wreckage didn't come from those ships. It's probably just some Greg Jein-produced random wreckage.
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Frank, if you consider 2000 as the last year of the 20th century, then you only have to send one card. OTOH, if you think 2000 is part of the 21st century, you'll be sending cards until either he or you dies, which ever comes first.
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Oh, I never intended to ever send more than one card.
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I agree that this thread need both a shrine and a permanant home. I do not, however, volunteer to host either. I will, however, provide a link on my site to the shrine and advertise it in other forums.
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Wow! You really should put this on a website or let it become a seperate board or something. I am just going to add my two cents for the post that is history in the making.
Possibly why we haven't seen the Saratoga's, Bellerphon's and Bonestall's is because this fight was fought in a long distance. With the fleet chasing the cube down and cube just destroys each one like swatting a fly. In a effect leaving a trail-like wreckage in Wolf 359. What we saw in the Emmissary is probably the first attack on the Borg cube. What we saw in BoBW was probably towards the middle of the battle.
Now if Starfleet used a 'flying wall' tactic or kamakazi tactic we would not see Picard anymore.
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Hey, there were actually three of the midget vessels: Starfleet doesn't hold back when the future of Earth is at stake...
One thing that has been puzzling me about the effort of identifying BoBW shipwrecks:
Did we ever conclusively see the old Ralph McQuarrie ship (Enterprise study model for the abortive pre-TMP, pre-Phase II movie project) at Wolf 359? Or are we just assuming it must have been there since it was so clearly seen in Unification, among all those other reuses of BoBW wreckage footage? I've been unable to spot the ship in any of the BoBW screencaps, but I don't have a good-quality BoBW tape so I can't vouch that there isn't a scene that would feature it.
I'd be far happier if the ship was only present at Qualor II. Everything in it reeks of TOS or pre-TOS: the nacelle shapes, the saucer shapes, surface color, decaling... An antiquity from the good old days of pre-TOS would credibly be present at the Qualor junkyard, but not so credibly bolstering Earth's final line of defence in 2367.
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Starfleet never had a really sound defense perimeter with Earth. The flying terd from ST4, V'ger, the Breen, and the Borg. I would think after the Borg there would be a stronger defense at Earth. Maybe a few large starships like the Akira instead of little midget ships.
Maybe the ose TOS ships might be flying bombs relaunched from the mothball fleet or something.
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Starfleet has had Earth reasonably defended for some time. V'Ger was a bit of cockup, yes. But there were plenty of ships in the system when the Probe came, just waiting to be completely shut down. The Breen attack was, as we were led to believe, mostly a suicide run, with most of them being destroyed before they were in range.
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Timo: Nope, those enterprise-studymodels can�t be seen in the battlewreckage-scene at Wolf 359. That doesn�t mean they can�t be there of course, as grey little blobs in the background. The reason everyone accepts that the models were present is because it is mentioned in one of the star trek books, "The art of..", I think. Personally I would approve of them being there, as long as they eventually get designated as already existing classes. I�m getting tired of never seeing designs for some already existing classes, like for instance wambundu. Everyone seems to be wanting to come up with new classes all the time, instead of showing us the older ones :-(
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I think the old study models of Enterprises and Excelsiors were rounded up for possible shooting in case there wasn't enough material to go by otherwise. When Jein and Miarecki delivered their quality kitbashes, it's possible that the ugliest of the study models were actually left unfilmed even though they were waiting right there on the table beside the motion-control rig.
In addition to the two McQuarrie ships, at least the Phase II shuttlecraft and the more Excelsiorlike of the two "Art of ST" study models may have been omitted altogether, despite being reported as having been available. At least they can't be proven to have been in the battle at all. If so, I sure don't want to cling to the idea that Starfleet employed the McQuarrie designs at Wolf 359, unless I absolutely have to.
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There are still enough unidentifiable ships in the background. Personally, I think all five study models were somehow present, although some of them might be off-screen. The screencap of the Enterprise-II study model is from "Unification". The reason why I speculate that it was originally shot for BoBW is that it's apparently a big deal to dig up old models. OTOH, there were some new scenes in "Unification" showing other previously unseen ship parts.
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