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No, I mean I was being sarcastic that altering image size is a hard thing to do, not that altering them isn't useful. Cos it is. Useful.
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I'm new to this forum and signed up after reading this post on EarthForce uniforms. I am a big fan of B5 and hope to help here. Besides, I've admired Spike's Starfleet uniform work for awhile now.
quote: Per Spike: Does anyone know where I can get information about Earthforce uniforms, rank insignia, service bars, shoulder patches, etc.?
Other than the B5 security manual, which someone has already suggested-- another good source is the long, since out-of-print EarthForce Sourcebook for the RPG (it had great pictures and descriptions for EarthForce ranks and such).
Another is this site (with direct link to EF ranks): web page
quote: Commodore (one star)
Re: This rank.
In the USN, the rank of Commodore is now defunct and not active. It has since been changed to Rear Admiral, lower half-- while Rear Admiral is now Rear Admiral, upper half. (It is, however, still active in the Royal Navy.)
This rank has never been seen in EarthForce or mentioned to the best of my knowledge.
For a real life military look at ranks, here is a good link: (this is a US oriented site) web page
Re: the vaugeness of rank.
quote:per: Vogan Poet. It's tricky. . . Colonel Ben-Zayne definitely outranked a Commander, yet Major 'Older Braxton' (I forget his name) seemed to be roughly equal to a (naval) Captain - he didn't defer to Sheridan nor order him about; and, he was friends with the Captain of the Clarkstown which suggests a potential closeness in age or rank.
It also might have to do with the military tradition of senority, when someone achieved their rank. If you have two military commissioned officers of the same (or equavilant) rank, one will defer to the one who was promoted first to said rank. It's a tradition that is usually ignored in most SF TV, especially in Star Trek.
Re: EF Uniform styles from "The Gathering" to B5 seasons 1 and 2, and their apperances in "ItB, "B2," and "War Without End, 1 and 2."
In the pilot movie, the EF uniforms were without the leather strip. Sinclair and Takashima wore the EF blues, while Dr. Kyle wore a charcole-blue color for medical(as mentioned by JMS in a usenet post, which I cannot find at this time. The said charcole color really didn't look all that different from the EF blues, only in a few shots). Those uniforms had red piping along the colors and epulates. Garabaldi wore EF security grey with a black color and greenish (or grey?) piping.
My theory on why they weren't used in "B2," all had season 1-style uniforms with the leather strip (no arm band, leather cuffs and no red piping). While "In the Beginning," had the season-2 style of leather strip and arm band with red piping:
I figure that these uniforms were Class-B's, while the season-1 style was a varient on the Class-B's and the season-2 style was Class-A's (which is why we see them more often).
Another quark from "The Gathering" is the different style rank insigna that does not match the series. (of course, that's because it was a different costume designer, but who's talking real life).
But that doesn't solve the Dress uniform changes from pilot to season 1 to season 2. That's another story.
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Welcome to Flare. Though I can't help but point out that posting a link to the Defense Department's homepage in an effort to demonstrate U.S. military ranks is like giving someone directions to San Francisco that consist of "Go to Earth, and look in the Western Hemisphere."
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For another more-specific site, per Sol's request: web page
I can not help but point out that one could always use google (or the DOD's search engine)to find out more about ranks, or where in the western hemisphere San Francisco is.
Or just follow the signs, there you might be able to find a pair of humpback whales named "George and Gracie."
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Not to drag this on to unamusing lengths but if we're going to go to the trouble of providing links at all, we might as well be specific. Also, I was perhaps making with the jape, you see.
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quote:Not to drag this on to unamusing lengths but if we're going to go to the trouble of providing links at all, we might as well be specific. Also, I was perhaps making with the jape, you see.
Indeed. The devil is in the details. And you perhaps missed my jape.
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Now, back to your regular forum.
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hell, even my site has a rank page kicking around:
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Hey, uh, that Bajoran system is taken directly from my site. It would have been kinda nice if you asked first, but at this point all I'll really ask is that you credit me for the system (since it's speculative) and credit Robert B. K. Brown for the images.
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oh man.. yeah.. i was wondering where i got that from.
that was a page i had backed up online when my last computer tanked and i never recovered a link where it came from.
Just wanted to say I really liked the rank page on your site-- very informative. I especially liked the speculative rank braid for the early Star Fleet uniforms seen in "The Cage" and WNMHGB. Where, if I may ask, did you derive that system? Or, rather, how did you come up with it?
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Mike: No problem, just be sure to add the credits. Thanks.
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i'm trying to update my page right now.. apparently half of Yahoo! hosting is down til monday but i can still get to my site, just not through a certain url/
"The Cage" rank system i came up with, speculativly to try to explain why everybody from Lieutenant through Commander all had the same thing: one stripe.. i think that the alternating gold/silver system would be a good explanation..
now if i could just figure a good way that they determined their NCO ratings from ensigns!
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I found that JMS post regarding the pilot uniforms.
For you enjoyment and reference:
quote:The command level uniforms (Sinclair, Laurel, Garibaldi) are pretty much the same in cut, though Garibaldi's (and all of securityard grey more than blue. Medical uniforms have a somewhat different cut and lean toward charcoal grey.
There's a slightly different cut for grunt-level security, and a slightly greener look. Station techs (maintainance crews and the like) generally get yellow outfits with the B5 logo (and are not directly part of the EA structure; they work at and for the station per se). Control techs, in the observation dome, for instance, generally don't wear jackets on duty, but rather shirts with the B5 logo. The shift commander, though, does wear a jacket with his uniform. (When B5 opens, you see Laural give a command to the shift commander, who then relays it to others. You can trace the line of command in the dome from there.)
There are, and will be, other variations in uniform, but those are pretty much the ones you'll see in the show. (In addition, of course, to more conventional clothing such as that worn by casino workers, marked only by a glitter-B5 logo.)
jms (From Genie, not Usenet as previously mentioned. Dated 28 January 1993)
Capt. Mike, Yes, how did Starfleet of the TOS area recognize NCO's from Ensigns-- perhaps the cut of their uniform?
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