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I like the Clone Wars, and I have a fair number of friends who watch Star Wars (which I am sure is shocking news and all). The number of them that have seen the cartoon series ranks somewhere less than 2, despite it being well advertised and received.
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quote:Star Trek tend to farm out their franchise for cheap knock-offs in novels, games and books
Surely there's some blackery name calling from the pot there?
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I like what Lucasfilm does to keep SW alive, though sometimes I OD on SW. To agree, to a certain point with a previous post, I think it would be cool if Paramount experimented/expanded to other forms and styles of Trek but I don't think that Paramount right now would be too keen on this 'cause of the lukewarm reception E has gotten. I liked Clone Wars as far as the plot though I thought the animation suxed.
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Since ENT has just been officially cancelled, this 'next series' concept thing suddenly is a lot closer.
My wild guess at this point in time is that any new series might begin as a spin-off Trek XI, whenever that movie is going to made. The very early rumours of alleged movie-concepts indicated that they were toying with the idea of new characters for that movie, so it could possibly be made into a high-profile springboard for Series VI.
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what is wrong with picking up where tng and ds9 left off? continue a show that is based in the 24th century with settings we are familiar with!!
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That would certainly be a nice thing to see: mabye a new format though.
Consider- the Trek universe is gigantic. I think a fresh start could be made by producing 3-5 part stories from both various regions of Trek as well as various time periods.
They could even tie-in with each other to make one complete picture: a threat encountered in the TOS era may return years later or a starship's lineage could be followed.....kind of an anthology.
I think this idea is sound but the viewers are not there now. If you missed a part of the story, you'd be lost and ratings would suck.
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quote:Originally posted by TorgaDaxIV: what is wrong with picking up where tng and ds9 left off? continue a show that is based in the 24th century with settings we are familiar with!!
Would a TNG or DS-9 spin-off be successful/accepted by the fans if a good portion of the original cast weren't back?
Could anyone accept a TNG pick-up without Picard? My understanding is that Patrick Stewart wants to give Picard a rest.
Can Paramount pay salaries for the rest of the TNG cast?
Personally, I thought they should have had Picard retire from Starfleet and serve as an ambassador. Meanwhile Riker assumes command of the Enterprise-E. Ah, but no one ever asks me.
Can Star Trek survive beyond it's original concept, that of a starship exploring the galaxy? Is a different format capable of drawing a large enough fan-base to be profitable?
Lots of people have wanted Klingon episodes or other such niche programs. While cool ideas, I don't think those niche ideas would appeal to a large enough target audience to pull in the numbers Paramount wants (or needs).
I wouldn't mind seeing a post TNG/DS-9 era setting. I wonder what's happening in the galaxy as it rebuilds following the Dominion War.
This is the same reason why I thought a Captain Sulu idea was interesting. Not for the Sulu part, but I wanted to know what was going on in the glaxy in the TOS movie era. Trying to fill in the blanks from comments made in TNG, DS-9 or VOY episodes about "the past " weren't enough for me.
Just some thoughts...
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Worf in command of a starship might work- Michael Dorn could always use another series worth of royalty cheques each month.
...and no, I'm not suggesting they put him in command of the USS Typhon. That thing's hull is made from wet cardboard.
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Maybe instead of a new premise for a show (space exploration, space station, lost in the DQ, RetroTrek...) energies should be spent exploring different writing styles for Star Trek.
A lot of the comments praising DS-9 center around the story-arc concept. This concept seems pretty unique to DS-9. There were a few TNG episodes that touched on each other and VOY had the basic premise of getting home, but DS-9 seemed to do the best job of developing story arcs.
But it doesn't compare to Babylon 5, IMO. B-5 really set the standard for having a strong concept idea from the start, then developing all your seasons so that they further the overall story.
Someone copied the new Battlestar Galactica's Bible pages that appeard on "The Lowdown." It explains their general idea as being:
quote:Our show is built�
1. Series Arcs 2. Multi-episode Arcs 3. Episode Arcs
Perhaps a new Trek should follow this concept. A single underlying theme for the whole series (more than space exploration. A little more than getting back home. Something along the lines of meeting the Founders, fighting a war, defeating the founders, etc... ) Key episodes will appear every season that will further the overall theme.
Other stories within stories can be told in multi-episode arcs, like DS-9s Circle story arc or ENT more recent Surak/Vulcan arc.
Roddenberry's original vision called for a regular episode format because he didn't want viewers to be lost if they missed a show. TOS can practically be shown in any order and the overall story still make sense.
But times have changed. B-5 and X-files have introduced America (Manga was doing it long before) to multi-arcs and one continuous story from beginning to end. If someone misses an episode they can log onto their favorite web site and catch up.
The Horatio Hornblower single person POV idea is another example of a new direction. Move away from the multi-character format since invariably some characters are developed more than others. Focus on one person through part of their Starfleet career.
After that's established, then the "setting" can fall into place.
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If theres anything Trek does [b]not[/i] need to do, it's copy Battlestar Galactica.
They already tried the "lowest common denominator" approach (T'Pol rubbing down with goo each week) and the response was extremely negative.
Besides, those three "great ideas" from the (ha ha) BSG writing book were all done on Enterprise.
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Enterprise didn't have a series long plot. It barely had a premise, much less a plan.
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Look, no matter the plot or characters - the series still has to have good, solid stories and wonderful characterisation. Enterprise was developing that - maybe 3 years too late - but it was.
There shouldn't be any 'cloning' - i.e. Voyager was an expensive rip-off of TNG and the Enterprise producers only wanted to 'rehash' TOS - i.e. having a "big three" - they also did this for the Next Gen movies - when there really wasn't ANY "Big Three" in TNG. - Gawd - I'd hate to see what they would have done in the "Big Three" vein if they had a DS9 movie! Sisko, Kira, Odo!?! Doesn't work.
Silly plot 'ploys' - i.e. we're stranded 70,000 light years from home - should be avoided - they were never adhered to.
Characters need to be developed from the get go to involve the viewers.
Stuff like this has fallen by the way-side or took 4 years to develop under the current 'rule' of Trek. Braga, frankly is a 'concept man' - look at all his scripts for TNG - mind-bending time-travel episodes.
Behr and now Cotto new what to do.
Oh, a new series with Ira Steven Behr, Robert Hewitt Wolfe, Ron D. Moore, Judith and Garfield Reeve-stevens and Many Cotto as writers/producers! That would rock!
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Too bad Behr nad Coto did not get control of Voyager in...season two or so.
Could've been great: we'd have seen the Voyager crew pushed to the desperate levels of the Equinox's crew (no endless supply of parts, shuttles, torpedos, etc.).
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