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As far as Amisov's expertise on the Borg goes, I'd like to credit him with more than just "I survived Wolf 359". Picard several times was in a position to *study* the Borg, to dictate the terms of their encounter. To rank up with him, Amisov should have been in at least remotely comparable position.
And as said before, Picard in "FC" speaks of the Borg moving forward and the Federation falling back. *We* saw none of this happen in TNG. It would only be natural to assume that somebody like Amisov saw.
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Ooh - hardly canon, but apparently one of the short stories in the "New Frontier" anthology is about the Amby-class USS Excalibur that details some of the battle at the beginning of "First Contact". Anyone read it?
quote:Originally posted by Timo: As far as Amisov's expertise on the Borg goes, I'd like to credit him with more than just "I survived Wolf 359".
Simple -- Asimov not only SURVIVED, but he also commanded the one ship that fought and scratched and clawed away from the battle and got out in one piece, and managed to rescue several hundred survivors in the process.
I'd call that pretty heroic, myself!
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Timo postulates but nicely in saying there's a lot of falling back and assimilation that we simply haven't seen - like i said, it's a big Galaxy. After all, the very reason we're INTO Trek tech is to fill in a universe which is very hero-centric.
It's sorta like the Bothans in the Star Wars novel universe: never seen, nevertheless a bunch of them died to give the rebels information on the second Death Star. And in EVERY SINGLE FRICKING NOVEL I've read, they go on about how important they were for doing THAT, and ONLY that.
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Ooh - hardly canon, but apparently one of the short stories in the "New Frontier" anthology is about the Amby-class USS Excalibur that details some of the battle at the beginning of "First Contact". Anyone read it?
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Well, if you start from the premise of a typical TOS episode, it's almost inevitable that Santa or the Mad Hatter or Jack the Ripper or Sherlock Holmes gets mentioned... That's not PAD's fault!
But not all the NF books are sillinessfests. Plenty of them concentrate on blood and guts and genocide and the evil triumphing over the good. It's the bland middle ground that PAD has definite trouble with.
So far, NF has not dealt with the Borg, except as a recurring nightmare for Shelby. AFAWK, the heroes were conveniently elsewhere during the known Borg incidents. The anthology will apparently reveal a different truth.
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Timo postulates but nicely in saying there's a lot of falling back and assimilation that we simply haven't seen - like i said, it's a big Galaxy.
There's also the possibility that the Borg didn't kill everyone from the New Providence Colony, the USS Lalo, or the Romulan Border Outposts before they destroyed them.
We only see and hear of the aftermath, we don't know how things went down at the time. I'm sure there are a lot of Humans that were assimilated before Wolf 359.
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quote:We only see and hear of the aftermath, we don't know how things went down at the time. I'm sure there are a lot of Humans that were assimilated before Wolf 359.
Oh, of course there were! Aside from the Raven itself *sigh* ...ahem... there's also the probability that other Starfleet ships ran into the Borg by random chance, and were promptly assimilated. I believe that Voyager once showed an assimilated individual (or was it a personality, in "Infinite Regress"?) from the USS Tombaugh, that was apparently assimilated back in 2362.
I have no problem with a few random starships getting swallowed up by the Borg because of bad luck. However, I really dislike the idea of any sort of consistent activity over the long run. After all, in his opening Captain's Log for "First Contact," Picard said that the Borg had RETURNED. They can't return if they never left in the first place, which is exactly the scenario that some people here are proposing.
Besides, Picard was clearly overstating his case for Lily, because she couldn't contradict him if he exaggerated. And since both Jouret IV and Ivor Prime were assimilated, that most definitely falls under the category of "worlds," the plural form of "world." Combine that with the statement that Starfleet was originally intercepting the FC cube way out in the Typhon Sector and ended up barely stopping the ship in Earth orbit, I'd call that "falling back." So I don't see any problem with Picard's statements.
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I wasn't excluding the Raven, just putting forth the New Providence, Lalo, and Romulan Border Outposts is all. Jeez.
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Sorry, I wasn't rolling my eyes at you, Bond -- I was thinking of how the Borg were supposed to be completely new in "I, Borg."
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