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Well sure it *could* be anything, but I thought the point was that the script says he was on a Galaxy, and the episode backs this as much as anything...
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- Hanson returns to Starbase 324 after Jouret IV. There is no evidence that he was aboard any ship at all until he suddenly appears on a GCS battle bridge. When he appeared before the 'standard Federation background' he was most likely still on SB 324. That would also fit better with him saying "the fleet have mobilised at Wolf 359", instead of something like "we have mobilised". He probably transferred to a ship after this conversation.
- Emissary most definitely starts right as fleet engages the Borg. The Cube does NOT in fact start with their usual line, but actually command the fleet to escort them to Earth, or be destroyed. That's not something you say halway through as an afterthought. And indeed, the Vulcan captain gives all the standard beginning-of-battle orders. Although, of course, there could have been several seperate groups of ships destroyed before and after the Saratoga group engaged.
- Seemingly only minutes after contacting Enterprise, Hanson says the fight is not going well. Possibly this communication was only made after an initial strike, since there wouldn't be much time to chat during actual fighting.
- He starts ordering a regrouping right before communications black out. This NOT because his ship was destroyed, but 'probably due to Borg interference', as Riker puts it. This would also explain why we see NONE of the regrouping Hanson ordered was seen in "Emissary": all communications were jammed.
- Hanson was most likely not on an Excelsior class, and most certainly not on the Melbourne. The Melbourne actually engaged the Cube before the Saratoga did. What kind of admiral fights in the front-line!?
- On what ship was Hanson? It couldn't have been the Excelsi-bourne. That ship got destroyed right away, and there would've been no time to make the call to Enterprise. Yet, it must have been one of the early engaged ships, since his ship was hit once during his short talk with Riker. Possible options: - He was on the Bellerophon. That would explain the use of the Enterprise battle bridge. - He was on the Yamaguchi. That would explain the oldfashioned Alert display. - He was on another ship that attacked shortly after Yamaguchi and Bellerophon. Possibly a Galaxy class.
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quote: He was on the Yamaguchi. That would explain the oldfashioned Alert display.
The Princeton could also have had a battle bridge or flag bridge; it's certainly large enough.
There are several explanations other than the GCS theory, although the script would seem to indicate it should be one. Although if a Galaxy was destroyed at Wolf 359 you might expect it to be mentioned at some point.
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Sisko wasn't an admiral, but he commanded his ships from the front. Admiral Ross's ship could likewise be seen sparking and bouncing around from the comm visuals.
Plus, these latest suppositions are assuming that the Saratoga-Melbourne-Yamaguchi-Bellerophon engagement was at the BEGINNING of the fight. Which, as we've established previously, is not necessarily the case.
quote:Originally posted by Wraith: Although if a Galaxy was destroyed at Wolf 359 you might expect it to be mentioned at some point.
What makes you say that? I somehow doubt that someone on DS9 would just happen to say, "Oh, by the way, since we lost the Galaxy-class USS Continuity NCC-71941 at Wolf 359 exactly five years and fifteen days ago, we're stuck with the lousy Excelsior-class USS Obsolete NCC-42666 for reinforcements instead."
They just don't mention that kind of stuff in most circumstances!
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Yes, it would be irresponsible to do so. All those Trekkies having spontaneous orgasms. . .
However, I agree with Harry's analysis - from the Saratoga's POV, it looked like the battle was just starting. . . Unless they arrived late, which would explain the rushed atmosphere on the bridge, their lack of coordination with any other fleet elements, and their total lack of any plans to look after the families on board.
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Well, the fact that they still had families on board at all shows the rushed nature of the fleet assembly. We saw the Odyssey offload civvies before engaging. Most likely the orders were, "All ships redevous at Wolf 359, NOW! All other missions aborted. Do not pass Starbase, do not offload civilians."
It's not unreasonable to assume that the Saratoga was racing towards the system right up until the battle started.
*must rewatch BoBW and Emmisary tonight*
Actually... I cut the Emissary footage into BoBW right after the break for the commercial... it's kind of cool to watch it that way.
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They did not arrive late. In fact, it was not until the Melbourne and Saratoga engaged the Cube, that it started cutting into ships. If it was up to the Borg, the fleet would've just stood down and actually escort it to the Sol Sector.
quote:Originally posted by Wraith: Although if a Galaxy was destroyed at Wolf 359 you might expect it to be mentioned at some point.
What makes you say that? I somehow doubt that someone on DS9 would just happen to say, "Oh, by the way, since we lost the Galaxy-class USS Continuity NCC-71941 at Wolf 359 exactly five years and fifteen days ago, we're stuck with the lousy Excelsior-class USS Obsolete NCC-42666 for reinforcements instead."
They just don't mention that kind of stuff in most circumstances!
I was thinking along the lines of the big fuss that's been made out of the destruction of the Odyssey (mainly in fandom, admittedly) that the loss of a GCS might have been dropped in somewhere. They seem to've mentioned just about every other ship that's had an encounter with the Borg...
As regards the picking up of the escape pods; is it not possible that either an auxilery ship, outside the range of the Borg, was hanging around ready to help after the battle (like an Olympic/Hope) or that some vessels got there just too late and picked up survivors and took them to the nearest Starbase? I doubt that the Captain of a Miranda or any other starship would want to engage an enemy that's just destroyed 39 ships! Although they may've tried, I suppose, if earth was at risk.
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quote:Originally posted by Wraith: I doubt that the Captain of a Miranda or any other starship would want to engage an enemy that's just destroyed 39 ships! Although they may've tried, I suppose, if earth was at risk.
It was their duty to attack it. It must have been obvious to everyone from the very first shots that they were all going to die, and yet all 40 ships continued to attack (presumably the Endeavour lost weapons and engines and couldn't do anything, even ram the cube).
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Need to add the caveat "presuming the Endeavour was there", just to make sure we all know you understand there's no evidence supporting that position.
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