quote:The reason something bad happened to the Jennifers (unconvincingly portrayed by Elizabeth Shue) is because neither one was aware of what was going on, I think. The problem came when the two versions of Jennifer recognized they were the same person without understanding it.
Yeah, and especially when they passed out. If young Jennifer had hit her head and died, you've got your universe destruction right there. Same thing would have happened if young Biff had hit that manure truck differently the second time and gotten killed.
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quote:Originally posted by TSN: Say, there's a thought. "The Jetsons" as a study in class-based oppression. I like that.
Yes, but oppression by whom. The ground might be the place to be and not shunned in some stratospheric isolated building.
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Remember your "Cloud Minders,' good sir! Obviously Cogswell & Spacely got their cogs & sprockets from SOMEwhere, & since those sky buildings seemed to be primarily "office space"....well. You draw your own conclusions.
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I draw plenty. Things may SEEM all fancy-free for the Jetsons, but imagine the veritable rain of falling bodies from the sky due to the complete lack of ANY visible safety equipment on the walkways, flying cars, windows, freaking DOGWALKS, and other common household items. Just imagine the blood-soaked wasteland down beneath those crowds.
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The problem with most time-travel stories is that they don't work. Time travel itself is not a dramatic storytelling device.
There are two leading theories on how time travel might work.
One is the steady-state hypothesis, where, say, you go back in time and anything you might try to do creates the conditions that led up to your departure and nothing is changed because your changes are already history.
The other is the multiverse hypothesis, in which every decision gate faced by elementary particles in the universe play out simultaneously from the Big Bang, each splitting of two new universes where each result plays out. So if you go back in time, the universe will carry on without you, but the instant you arrive in the past, you alter the quantum state of the universe and a new reality is split off that is now diverging from the one you left. You can fiddle to your heart's content, and it won't matter a jot to the present you left.
So Back to the Future wouldn't work. Star Trek uses both models, and badly, throughout the entire multi-series arc. On the one hand, you have "City on the Edge of Forever". On the other, you have "Mirror, Mirror". And don't get me started on Star Trek IV. The best-done time travel story I've seen on screen was TNG's "Time's Arrow", where the time travel was incidental, and the drama made use of it (Samuel Clemens on the Enterprise -- loved it), but didn't revolve around the mechanism itself, as it did in, say, "City...".
The absolute best time travel story I've ever run across, period, is Spider Robinson's "All You Zombies", where -- thanks to time travel (and a sex-change operation) -- the main character is his own mother and father, as well as the bartender at the place he's drinking, and, for that matter, every other person in the story. It's great.
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quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: I draw plenty. Things may SEEM all fancy-free for the Jetsons, but imagine the veritable rain of falling bodies from the sky due to the complete lack of ANY visible safety equipment on the walkways, flying cars, windows, freaking DOGWALKS, and other common household items. Just imagine the blood-soaked wasteland down beneath those crowds.
Eep, op, ork, ah-ah, folks.
Mark
I wonder why nobody from the Jetsons inhabited the ground anymore. I theorize that years of pollution and nuclear fallout has left the Earth uninhabitable save for the skies and so mankind has taken to live in high rise buildings that reach high into the stratosphere.
Wasn't there an episode of "The Jetsons" where it started raining, so someone pushed a button, and the building rose even higher until it was above the rain clouds? I always figured that was the reason they were up in the air.
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That was Harvey Birdman Tim... again I will bring up this hilarious show. The BEST of them all is the episodes where the Jetsons come back in time to sue Earth of the past for causing the pollution of the future. I nearly fell apart laughing so hard when the Jetsons tried to walk to Harvey's desk (but there was no moving walk way). HAHEHEAHEH! You have to see it... anyway you can...
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quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: So Back to the Future wouldn't work.
Actually, I thought BTTF was suprisingly consistent, if you look at it as a single timeline, but changes in the past take time to ripple forward. This even (mostly) explains why they went from 2015 to the Biff-owned 1985. They left 2015 before the ripple reached far enough forward, but it had already gotten to 1985. I'm not saying this theory is absolutely perfect for BTTF, but it's the most consistent IMO.
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: On the other, you have "Mirror, Mirror"...
I know this issue has been discussed before, but the Mirror Universe is NOT just a quantum variation of our own time line. There is simply no way that things would end up so differently, but still contain all the same players. The MU has to be a fundamentally different reality with no common point in time with our own universe.
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In the begining there was a great void.......
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