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I can't imagine that Jesus would have said a person whould keep his slaves just because they would starve otherwise. He was an unemployed drifter himself, after all.
Besides, if the slaveowner would get off his lazy ass and do some work himself, he wouldn't starve.
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Yes! This thread has gotten to the "What would Jesus Do?" point. All we need is a Hitler argument now and we'll be rid of it
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I can't imagine that Jesus would have said a person whould keep his slaves just because they would starve otherwise.
That wasn't the scenario. The scenario was of a man's family starving. Significantly different.
Besides, if the slaveowner would get off his lazy ass and do some work himself, he wouldn't starve.
Well that depends on how the slaveowner and his family get their food, now wouldn't it?
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It's just occured to me that this has reached a point where you are justifying slavery. At this time, I'm going to stop even dignifying it w/ an arguement.
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Ah, so instead of actually giving thought to a legitimate issue, i.e. whether slavery in ancient Israel was inherently different from slavery in the United States, and whether those differences kept slavery from being an abhorrent institution in ancient Israel, you choose to simply say that anything that has the label of slavery must be evil simply because of the label and not necessarily due to the nature of the practice itself.
Duely noted.
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Thus you all have discovered why have said that this is pointless.
Group A is saying slavery is a bad thing, which it is.
Omega is saying that slavery in anceint Israel was different than the slavery in the old south, which it was, since there seemed to be laws giving some semblence of protection to the slaves, unlike the old south. If you give credence that people were more apt to be religious then and followed the laws of God.
So, while slavery sucked, in any terms and any way, being a slave in ancient Israel was different than those that were slaves in the old south.
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But that brings us back to the religous implications of a God that allow slavery in any form in the first place.
This sums it up for me:
Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally. - Abraham Lincoln
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since there seemed to be laws giving some semblence of protection to the slaves, unlike the old south
That and the way the slaves became slaves to begin with. That's what I'm seeing as the most important difference.
As for trying slavery on me because I'm arguing for it, well, you'd have to put me in a situation where I'm a POW in a war specifically ordered by God, and my only other option is death. That's the whole point.
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No, the whole point is that you're defending slavery if it's n a "war that God ordered", but we're all saying that's a cop-out excuse used to justift enslaving people. Anybody can announce that "god ordered me to do it" and commit any crime. If you were the son of someone that was one of thsse supposedly justly captured "POW slaves" then you'd also deserve to be a slave? And you'd be "better off". That is what you're arguing you know.
Yet you still consider one form of slavery diffrent tahn another! Slavery is slavery no matter what excuse is used to justify it weither it be "negros are less than white people and it's for their own good" or "we're showing them the way of God so it's all for their own good". It's all evil lazy bastards enslaving others to do their work and make them profit.
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I look at it this way, if you justify it, then if you where on the receiving end of that situation, would you still feel that it's okay? or would you do ANYTHING to be free? or would you accept your new position in life?
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Really, the arguement about whether the two types of slavery were different or not is really irrelevant- the verses were interpreted as meaning any slavery by many people and this was believed by many people at the time. So they believed they had a God given right to keep slaves.
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No, the whole point is that you're defending slavery if it's n a "war that God ordered", but we're all saying that's a cop-out excuse used to justift enslaving people.
And I'm saying repeatedly that this is all predicated on the assumption that Jewish law did, in fact, come directly from God, as theoretically their dictates for war would have been had they followed said law. It's just that nobody seems to be listening.
if you where on the receiving end of that situation, would you still feel that it's okay?
If you could convince me that God wanted me enslaved, yeah, I'd go along with it. I can't imagine how you'd convince me of that, but hypothetically speaking I'd do it, no complaints.
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I have half a mind to register the username "God" and start issuing some proclamations. A third testament is way overdue.
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