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Re: Russia in WWII

"Hey, we butchered Poles! Thats OK."
- DT.

Yes, all the fashionable people come to Liverpool. And leave again, rather quickly.

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Re: Russia in WWII

"Hey, we butchered Poles! Thats OK."
- DT.

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Re: Russia in WWII

"Hey, we butchered Poles! Thats OK."
- DT.

I think you what question we want an answer to. Stop stalling.

Er, I for one would also like to invite anyone who carries or wants to carry a handgun to answer the question as well.

Ah, well, I'll type it here. You might also want to refer to my post from 17 December for some more info on what Daryus is talking about ...

A question for Omega. Ever been in a critical situation? You know, where you are really in danger?

Felt the blood run through you, knees turn weak, focus go off, senses reach out, doubt & fear flood you? Obviously not. So, until you have been there, stop spouting all this crap about 'yeeha, I'd just go down there and bust all their asses!'.

When you are in a life threatening situation, no matter what training you have had, or what weapons you carry, you'll realize how immaterial all this squablling and posturing is. You have a split second to make a decision that could end a life, one way or the other. Now, any kind of martial training helps keep you focused, and some experience with weapons is invaluable, but you, I would guess lack any experience with high pressure situations and I'd bet a months wages that your stomach would turn to jelly and you'd want mamma to come cover ytou up the first time you're really shite scared of being killed. Theres' nothing shameful in that, but just make sure you can seperate your realistic reactions from your fantasies about being the all conquiering hero who takes out the baddie.

These situations are fluid, and never what you expect. Your reactions are always half as good as they should have been, upon reflection. Keep that in mind.

And I've got a question to add.

Okay, ya'll most vocal that if someone breaks into your house and rips you off, he's going to kill you, rape and kill your wife, and sodomize your children before he kills them too, 'cuz lordy, he can't leave any witnesses around!

Aren't you only witnesses if you (I dunno) witness the thing? Why is he going to go out of his way to kill you if all he wants is the big 30" TV in your living room? The cops would put more effort into finding someone who killed a bunch of people then just someone who stole your (replaceable) Television -- yes?

I mean, I'm just asking here. Maybe you didn't know that witnesses had to see the thing going on, or that most criminals wouldn't want to kill someone because that would means the cops would be after them more than before?

Just curious.

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[This message has been edited by JeffKardde (edited December 22, 2000).]

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Michigan is passing a bill on that will make it easier for people to get a CCW Permit. I am still trying to decide if that will be a good thing or not. After I think about it a bit more I'll let you know how I feel about it.

To reiterate my feelings, I don't think I'd want to live in a state where the citizens need to carry a gun to feel safe. Just my two cents.

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"Michigan is passing a bill on that will make it easier for people to get a CCW Permit. I am still trying to decide if that will be a good thing or not."

How could it be a bad thing? Anyone who's going to break the law with a gun isn't going to care about something so minor as a CCW. Thus, the law would only make it easier for a law-abiding citizen to defend himself and those around him.

Now, what happens if you, or one of our Canadian friends is here in Port Huron. Your driving along and come to one of our plentiful construction zones and you merge over, cutting him off. He would follow you to where ever you want, but not tailgating you, he's not an idiot. He is a careful sneaky person.
He's now armed with his .45 semi-automatic pistol, which he is legally able to carry concealed. He approaches your car, that big smile and easy going stride of his wouldn't catch your attention, after all your not paraniod.
He's been known to bash in someones face for something like that. What would he do armed?
If he was having a bad day he would, in my opinion, shoot you.

I don't know if he carries a shooting weapon in his van now or not, I will not ride with him anymore, twice was enough, but if that law comes along that makes it easier for him to carry legally he will.

Now, you will say you will be ready with your weapon, just incase. I doubt it, unless you are a paranoid person, then you would be the one I would be worried about. If I came up, unarmed, and started calling you a stupid motherfucking piece of shit driver that can't read road signs you might fear that I might cause you bodily harm, which my records show I wouldn't do, and I get shot for expressing my opinion.

Ever hear the whip-crack of a near miss by a chunk of lead flying past you. That kind of thing is what makes you bowels and bile turn in to a nice watery excrement that just leaks from your body.

Thank you Omega, this little bit here that I've typed has persuaded me to pray that they keep the existing law for CCWPs. Between bigots and paranoids I am fearful that Michigan easing restrictions will be a nightmare. I am for those that need one being able to get one, a business man for his trips to the bank, the security guards on the job, and the such, but to giv them out like candy seems a more dismal idea be the minute.

Yes, I always think worst case senario.

Firing him is also recommended, if possible. Just do it anonymously.

But again, if he's willing to run someone over with a car, which is obviously illegal, what makes you think he's not ALREADY carrying a gun in his vehicle? He obviously doesn't care about the law.

Making something against the law doesn't prevent criminals from doing it. It just gives the police one more charge against them in court.

"if that law comes along that makes it easier for him to carry legally he will."

See, here's my point. Why is it being illegal to carry a weapon making it hard for him to do so in the first place? Are there regular police sweeps of his vehicle? It's all psychological.

Law has two main effects.

1) Prevent law-abiding people from doing something, because law-abiding people don't break the law, by definition.

2) Give the police another charge against arrested criminals.

I can not say this enough: A criminal is not, repeat, NOT going to care about the law. This is by definition. Therefore, making it harder by law for a law-abiding citizen to carry or obtain or own a weapon is not going to have ANY effect on the criminal.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Now enforcing EXISTING law more effectively will prevent criminals from breaking it, because they'll be in jail. How to do that is another topic altogether.

Let's use the analogy of drugs.

It doesn't matter if you outlaw drug use. Some people are going to do it anyway, because they lack a basic respect for the law. Sure, you can make it incredibly hard for people who aren't going to use drugs anyway to use them, but that's not going to affect the drug-users, because they're going through illegal channels in the first place. You shut down those channels to stop the crime.

The law-abiding citizens aren't the problem. If they were, laws would fix everything.

Yes, you do have a point in that occasionally, a law-abiding citizen will snap and shoot someone. But I have the point that the number of lives SAVED by law-abiding citizens far outweighs that.