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I think the bible says sex for any purpose other than procreation is BAAAD.
See, the problem I have here, is that I can not for the life of me believe that God would approve of the Death Penalty. I really think He'd want us to keep 'em alive locked up for their natural lives, and frankly, no amount of Omega's defintions or lectures about word translations are going to change my mind. Sorry.
Jeff, please belive me when I say that the only emotions I experience when reading your posts are pity at your incredible ignorance, and dispair that anyone can be so
And here we have it. Because I don't agree with Omega, and because he can't convince me that God okays the Death Penalty, he calls me ignorant. Now, this is an example of self-righteousness. This is why I don't like self-righteous people, because if you disagree with them, they pretty much call you an ignorant piece of shit. I've got no problem with those who disagree with me, and I'll try and convince them to see my way, but I'm not going to say something like this, because it would reflect bad on me.
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"If the Arabs and the Jews believe in the same deity, then why do they have religious wars??"
For the same reasons that the Catholic church caused the Crusades: hypocracy and stupidity.
"How meny different languages was the Bible written in, Hebrew and Greek I remember, but were there others?"
Bits of the Old Testament were in Aramaic.
"doesn't the Bible, as translated, say nothing about pre-maritial sex, only that all people should be like Him, and remain virgins?"
The letters of Paul are quite clear on this. One said that if you can't control your biological lust, get married and eliminate the temptation. Fornicators are also listed as one of the groups of people who will "not inherit the earth," IIRC. Don't have my concordance handy, unfortunately.
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Hail, hail, your resident practicing Roman Catholic is here...
The whole pope/cardinal/archbishop/bishop thing was created a long, long, long time ago when a hierarchy was needed to control the church, 'cause the Catholic church was the only Christian church around and there was a lot of people to keep in check. So, in order to help keep everyone in check, they decided that only the important folk would be allowed to have bibles, mainly because they were expensive and time-consuming to produce. And, as the old saying goes, power corrupts and apsolute power corrupts absolutely. The Catholic church became corrupt. Enter the Crusades. Enter the Protestant split. After a while, the whole hirearchy wasn't really needed anymore, but it was kept around anyways. Why mess with a good thing? It seemed to be working out well, considering that the pope doesn't have the same power he had back in the day, so he wouldn't be corrupt anymore. Then, in the 1970's, there was the Vatican II split that happened, which resulted in the mass being said in every language other than Latin. And now we have the lovely situation we currently love and hate. Catholics and protestants generally get along, save for the few friendly jabs here and there. Except in Ireland, but that's another topic for another day...
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Just to repeat myself, Allah is Arabic for God. It has its own origin seperate from Islamic thought, and is used by anyone who speaks Arabic and has a burning desire to enter theological discussions like this one.
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Oh, yeah, that last post of yours wasn't a Catholic bash, Omega.
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No. ABBA means 'shitty swedish band that is shit'.
That is all.
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quote:Oh, yeah, that last post of yours wasn't a Catholic bash, Omega.
Bash or not, it was true. It was started by stupidity and hypocracy. However, he was refering to the past, some 1000 years ago. No where did Omega imply that the Catholic Church is involved in stupidity and hypocracy in the present.
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Well, actually, I think there are lots of people out there today preaching God's word who are hippocritical and stupid (Catholics, Baptists, Protestents, and everybody else), but that's just me -- Jerry Falwell is probably the leading example, IMHO.
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You have an interesting habit of bringing up completely irrelevant things, JK.
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Falwell's a moderate when it comes to extremism. Once you get into guys like Phelps, Lyons & Bradleys, then you're talking hypocrisy and stupidity.
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I think I can see Sol getting into Zoroastrianism sometime real soon.
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My translation of the Tanach (Bible) is from the Mesorah Heritage Fundation, a very orthodox Jewish business. They have very good translations of the Tanach and the Talmud.
In these translations, the name YHWH is written as Hashem ("His Name"). Hashem and Elohim are identified with the attributes of God-mercy and judgement.
Shalom, the greeting used by Jews today, is a name of God. In the past, Jews would never say hello to another Jew using the name of God. Then, according to the Tanach, a prominent Jew said Shalom Aleichem to another Jew. This tradition of saying, "Shalom Aleichem", was accepted by the whole Jewish community by 400 CE.
Another name of God is "I Shall Be What I Shall Be", from Exodus.
According to Jewish tradition, Hashem has many names. These names can refer to attributes of Hashem or names given to this entity by various Jewish communities and accepted by the whole Jewish community before the writing of the Talmud. Shalom is an example of the latter. Many of these names are untranslatable into our language.
In the period of the Talmud (200 CE to 500 CE), the Jews of Babylonia (Bushir) who went to service would hear the Tanach translated into Aramaic by a reader. The rabbi would read the text and the reader would translate. (Bushir is the popular name of Babylonia.)
The Tanach was translated into at least five languages by 500 CE: Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Latin, and a Celtic language.
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I agree that a lot of Catholicism (sp?) is not based in the Bible. The worship and prayer to Mary is not endorsed anywhere in the Bible, and the same with Saints, etc.
Jews and Muslims fight in their belief of how they worship their God. Much like how the Christians battle the Jews, and within Christianity, Protestants vs. Catholics.
More names include "I am what I am" and just plain "I am"
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