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depression doesn't have anything to do with it, and neither does bad parenting, people seem to blame everything on the parents nowadays. i know a lot of depressed people, but the reason they are depressed is simple, they don't like waking up in ungodly hours of the day and wasting their lives away in some institution that is supposed to give them knowledge, yet it ends up giving most people pyschological conditions that cripple them for the rest of their lives.(i'm talking about schools ) there are a lot of things that can make you depressed, there is always the low average which gets kids yelled at, and aggravated non-stop while people tell them that they aren't gonna have a future. and then there is the non-popular thing which turns people into social rejects and takes away all of their hope of a better future. and ofcourse there are people that have had to put up with a damned lot from everybody and they all develop in different ways. There is the inferiority complex, when the person beleives that he/she sucks and everyone is better than them. there is also the many fobias and unsociability. and the worst case scenario, people develop a superiority complex and think they are better than everyone else(i fall within this category) and feel a constant need to prove themselves and put others down, this dissabilitates group work, because the sufferer beleives that he/she can do the best job by themselves, and leads to them snapping at everybody and widening the social rift that had formed originally. __
the true idiocy is firearms. okay, now why do you need guns? to PROTECT yourself? what are cops for, what about a damned pepperspray. NO, we are gonna allow every Joe Schmoe, that lives in a box and has a dead end job (homer simpson comes to mind) to handle a firearm, and were just gonna HOPE that he/she doesn't decide to go around killing people!!!! and ofcourse it is too late to do that now that they are widely available, but if in the begginig guns and other stuff was restricted to the police and the military, then people wouldn't have a basement full of barettas now would they?
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"depression doesn't have anything to do with it, and neither does bad parenting,"
Of course not. Not one iota. With a statement like this, one would hope for (and require) an explanation.
"people seem to blame everything on the parents nowadays."
This is intolerable. Blaming parents simply for the fact that they are the main source of all behavioral influences in children. How could they? Really.
"i know a lot of depressed people, but the reason they are depressed is simple, they don't like waking up in ungodly hours of the day and wasting their lives away in some institution that is supposed to give them knowledge, yet it ends up giving most people pyschological conditions that cripple them for the rest of their lives.(i'm talking about schools )"
Yes, you are talking about schools. And quite cheeky about it. This isn't depression. Depression is quite worse. This is, scientifically, Standardadolescentitus, known to us layman as EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN KID THAT GOES TO FUCKING SCHOOL. This is not depression. Find a kid at school who doesn't feel this way. He's the one you need to worry about. (He'll like, throw a rook at you or something.)
"there are a lot of things that can make you depressed..., there is always the low average which gets kids yelled at, and aggravated non-stop while people tell them that they aren't gonna have a future. and then there is the non-popular thing which turns people into social rejects and takes away all of their hope of a better future. and ofcourse there are people that have had to put up with a damned lot from everybody and they all develop in different ways. There is the inferiority complex, when the person beleives that he/she sucks and everyone is better than them. there is also the many fobias and unsociability. and the worst case scenario, people develop a superiority complex and think they are better than everyone else(i fall within this category) and feel a constant need to prove themselves and put others down, this dissabilitates group work, because the sufferer beleives that he/she can do the best job by themselves, and leads to them snapping at everybody and widening the social rift that had formed originally."
Okay. So this is about how people can become depressed? And yet, the point of this thread, if I haven't had my turnip turned round the wrong way, is kids shooting kids. This disgressed into bullying, being bullied & why or why not kids may or may not kill other kids. You said depression has nothing to with it.
These factors that you associate with the formation of Depression are many of the traits viewed in the children who have indeed felt the desire to shoot up schools. But Depression (based on the things you described) has nothing to do with shootings. Fine.
quote: the true idiocy is firearms. okay, now why do you need guns? to PROTECT yourself? what are cops for, what about a damned pepperspray. NO, we are gonna allow every Joe Schmoe, that lives in a box and has a dead end job (homer simpson comes to mind) to handle a firearm, and were just gonna HOPE that he/she doesn't decide to go around killing people!!!! and ofcourse it is too late to do that now that they are widely available, but if in the begginig guns and other stuff was restricted to the police and the military, then people wouldn't have a basement full of barettas now would they?
Homer Simpson is fictional.
Can of worms. Don't open it. Here, it's been opened. Fifty Million times. With no resolution. This will go nowhere. Especially not with your argument. (If, this emotional tangent can be considered so.) The exact content of this last paragraph is a horse. I think we're all out of beating sticks.
I don't understand why it's so hard to press 'Shift' & 'I', or whatever letter that starts a sentence, usually denoted by a '.'. Usually.
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I promise, this is the ONLY thing I will respond to from this irrational tirade on guns. JK makes better arguements than this. And that's saying something.
to PROTECT yourself? what are cops for
Didn't the Supreme Court rule a couple years back that a police officer is not required to interfere with a crime in progress? Something along those lines?
Under any circumstances, by the time the police could arrive at the vast majority of residences in this country, anyone doing the calling could easily be dead, and the perpetrator be long gone. Let me guess: you live deep in a major city, half a block from a police station, don't you? Well here's a tip: the rest of us don't! If someone's threatening us, the police can't defend us. They aren't here.
Oh, and pepper spray is a close range defense measure. The whole point of a gun is to hold someone at bay from across the room, so they can't, say, pull out a knife and stab you repeatedly.
OK, I lied. That was two things.
This is, scientifically, Standardadolescentitus, known to us layman as EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN KID THAT GOES TO FUCKING SCHOOL. This is not depression. Find a kid at school who doesn't feel this way. He's the one you need to worry about.
Homeschooling rocks!
*throws a rook at UM*
Chess rocks, too!
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a fucking chair down your throat!
Grrr!
So, the only thing that's come out of this is:
Every school in the US is a place of nightmares, where bullies have free reign, childrens spirits are regularly crushed, people want to kill each other, everyone ignores everything that happens, and people who don't got A's for everything want to commit suicide.
Cheerful.
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And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a fucking chair down your throat!
Yep, that, too.
------------------ "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, co-operate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, [and] die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects." - Woodrow Wilson Smith
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none of the things i mentioned would actually cause anyone to go out shooting people, in order for that to happen the person would have to be seriously f*d up in the first place and the depression wouold just be a trigger, as could anything else. also there is no way for this violence to be channeled into something more productive(get a punching bag for f*k's sake), so people end up getting shot up.
i should have expected the citizens of the country with the highest crime rate on the planet to protect their precious guns so they won't lose their much coveted first place, and their "every 15 seconds a car is stolen" "every 30 minutes a person is killed and every 7 a woman is raped" ratio.
(i understand this is the flame board so i assume there are no hard feelings)
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No hard feelings. Provided you start using the "shift" key a bit more
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Oh, well. We TRIED to keep this from degenerating...
i should have expected the citizens of the country with the highest crime rate on the planet to protect their precious guns so they won't lose their much coveted first place
I would point out that our crime rate is dropping, whereas the crime rate in countries with no guns whatsoever (Britain, et al.) is increasing.
and their "every 15 seconds a car is stolen" "every 30 minutes a person is killed and every 7 a woman is raped" ratio.
More guns in the hands of private citizens would prevent these things, wouldn't you say? Would you try and rape a woman with a gun?
Oh, and how 'bout our, "Every fifteen seconds, a private citizen uses a gun to prevent a crime?"
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Infinity, I'd like to know where you get your numbers from. Chances are, they're invalid.
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"Every school in the US is a place of nightmares, where bullies have free reign, childrens spirits are regularly crushed, people want to kill each other, everyone ignores everything that happens, and people who don't got A's for everything want to commit suicide."
Well, on that last bit, most students don't care about their grades. But the rest of it sounds fairly accurate...
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You know, I really don't know where that quote came from. I just found it in my bigly largely huge archive, liked it, and used it. Please, if you can confirm a different source, tell me.
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I don't understand the appeal of arguing an ever-arguable issue like gun control with someone (to use an Omega-ism) isn't capable of creating and/or using valid discussion techniques.
Unintelligible, misspelled, emotional tangent "arguments" are seemingly a waste of time.
But, I have no power to remove the wall upon which you beat your head. Continue, I suppose.
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It's good practice. The more opportunities I have to argue the subject, the more refined my argument will be in the event that I come up against a worthy adversary.
------------------ "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, co-operate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, [and] die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects." - Woodrow Wilson Smith
------------------ Star Trek Gamma Quadrant Average Rated 6.27 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with four eps posted) *** "Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!" -Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001 **** And homeschooling also turns you into a socially well-adjusted person, capable of talking to people without them wanting to ram a f***ing chair down your throat! - PsyLiam, 3/11/01
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) there are a lot of things that can make you depressed, there is always the low average which gets kids yelled at, and aggravated non-stop while people tell them that they aren't gonna have a future. and then there is the non-popular thing which turns people into social rejects and takes away all of their hope of a better future. and ofcourse there are people that have had to put up with a damned lot from everybody and they all develop in different ways. There is the inferiority complex, when the person beleives that he/she sucks and everyone is better than them. there is also the many fobias and unsociability. and the worst case scenario, people develop a superiority complex and think they are better than everyone else(i fall within this category) and feel a constant need to prove themselves and put others down, this dissabilitates group work, because the sufferer beleives that he/she can do the best job by themselves, and leads to them snapping at everybody and widening the social rift that had formed originally.
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