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Omega: Your WHAT archive? That sounded suspiciously close to one of the cracks on MST3K. I wish I could remember the movie they were trashing, or at least the main character's name. I know it was "Something McSomething Something", because every time he appeared on screen after he introduced himself, Joel and the Bots would shout out some variation on it. My fav being "I'm Big McLarge Huge!"...
Anyway. I now return you to the flame already in progress.
--Jonah
------------------ "It's obvious I'm dealing with a moron..."
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In infinity11's defense, I have a theory that many people play so much online multiplayer games that the constant ingame-chatting has forced them to sacrifice spacing, capital letters, spellchecking and other luxuries we at Flare enjoy, as WE are aware we have all the time in the world to write our little notes.
Just breathe deeply, nobody's gonna shoot you with a sniper rifle or take your flag. It's aaaaall good... There! Much better, eh?
My quote archive. 350 kb, plain ASCII. LOTS of quotes.
------------------ "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, co-operate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, [and] die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects." - Woodrow Wilson Smith
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As to the stats, that was just an example, I would never bother with actual numbers. I still feel the same way about weapons, and that NOT having them would reduce the crime rate a lot more. And it's Unreal Tournament's fault incase you're wondering about my lack of capitalization, but trust me it isn't as bad as this guy on the Winamp board that capitalizes every word. I dare anyone to try and face me on deathmatch on any FPS game though, I may not like real guns, but I feel great about virtual ones.
------------------ Go to my site ST Infinity or you'll cause the release of another Olsen Twins movie. Do you want that on your conscience?
I'd rather eat my own eyeballs that argue about guns anymore, but this:
I still feel the same way about weapons, and that NOT having them would reduce the crime rate a lot more.
This, in combination with your lack of desire to come up with actual numbers for crime, is a perfect lead in for Omega or Rob to set you up the bomb.
To argue guns, and anything else around here, you have to be willing to stick in, and actually give evidence, examples and explanations, else it's pointless.
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There is also the problem that some of us actually LIKE guns simply for what they are and how they look. Personally, I can't stand most of the "generic" revolvers and automatics out there, but I am the proud owner of a 1922 "Bolo" Mauser Broomhandle pistol, a Chinese-made Mauser in .45ACP, and a Walther PPK. I am looking for a good-quality Browning Automatic Rifle, a Mauser Model 98 -- all German markings, and a WWI Parabellum Mauser Broomhandle.
These are as much pieces of art to me as the various swords, knives, daggers, and bows I own, and I readily admit to enjoying the experience of going to shooting ranges to fire them off from time to time. But I always keep them unloaded at home, with the ammo VERY safely locked away. I hate to tell the "home defense" proponents out there this, but with an automatic pistol, there is no way for a burglar or other assailant to know if it is loaded or unloaded short of being shot -- and most won't risk that unless some illicit substance makes them immune to such pangs of self-preservation.
And that's all I have to say about that...
--Jonah
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As long as everything has been UM fresh tested....No capitalization approved before it's time.
------------------ I should've known you were the only one stupid enough to kidnap you! Now get down here so I can spank you in front of this gawking rabble ~ C. Montgomery Burns
>"As to the stats, that was just an example, I would never bother with actual numbers."
We here on the flameboard have several expressions for that behavior. Among the more polite ones are "just asking to be skinned alive."
>"I still feel the same way about weapons, and that NOT having them would reduce the crime rate a lot more."
As in most cases of fact, your 'feelings' about the subject are irrelevant. try reading "More Guns, Less Crime" by some bigshot Yale prof whose name escapes me at the moment.
"let's get rid of all the guns" might SOUND like a nice solution. it might even WORK, if such a thing could be done. The problem is, it CAN'T and WON'T ever be done. Mostly because those people that do illegal things won't worry much about keeping THEIR weapons when the call goes out to turn your guns in.
Britain outlawed handguns, and their own press admits the country has been flooded with millions of illegal guns. (I posted a thread and the source some time back.)
As a solution for crime, gun-banning ranks just below the 'back-to-africa' movement in terms of raw stupidity. (That is, there are certain people stupid enough to believe that you could lower crime by shipping all the black folks back to Africa. This is much stupider and even more impractical than banning weapons, obviously)
------------------ The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching
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I am not really an "active" flamer here, I just wanted to say my point and leave, I'm not really into prolonged debates. It's quite true that people would smuggle them in, but if more attention was paid to the borders, well i guess it could work, but perhaps some NON-lethal preventative was found, it would be better.
------------------ Go to my site ST Infinity or you'll cause the release of another Olsen Twins movie. Do you want that on your conscience?
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I just wanted to say my point and leave, I'm not really into prolonged debates
Yes, there are names for people like that. Anyone care to tell him what they are?
if more attention was paid to the borders, well i guess it could work
We can't keep drugs out of the country. What makes you think we could do it for guns? Heck, Britain can't do it, and they don't even HAVE borders.
perhaps some NON-lethal preventative was found, it would be better.
You seem to like dealing with hypotheticals. I deal in reality. Communism's great, in theory, too, but theory and practice are two seperate things.
Oh, and the author of "More Guns, Less Crime" was one John R. Lott.
------------------ "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, co-operate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, [and] die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects." - Woodrow Wilson Smith
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Britain doesn't have borders? Since when? At least you're spelling it correctly.
As for Herr Lott, why is it gun nuts always support his conclusions while ignoring that his methods are suspect? Well I will tell you. Because Mr. Lott is without doubt a Republican. How else would you explain his belief that the wealthy should be able to buy their way out of court? Or, oh yeah, he thinks that giving women the vote caused government spending to surge out of control. And people wonder why I'm a liberal. Right. Off-topic. Back to topic!
Still, his admirers would give him the Nobel Prize if they could -- "More Guns, Less Crime" claims that the world would be a safer place if citizens carried guns, and his supporters have described him as a "Yale professor" (escept he isn't on the faculty, doesn't teach, and no-one at Yale can find the basement office he claims to have).
Why are his numbers suspect? No one seems to figure out how he draws his conclusions from the statistics. The most anyone else (that is: aside from Lott*) can figure out, is that the figures at most suggest that concealed gun-laws don't create crime -- but say nothing about preventing it. Lott is also an opponent of child-safety locks, and thinks teachers should carry guns to prevent school shootings, ignoring the simple fact that, in the recent most case, the teacher would've had to have been in the bathroom to stop the shooting.
* - one of the concerns of Lott's conclusions are that if his conclusions are incorrect, then he's peddling a false message and gun nuts are falling for it
Newsweek, March 12, 2001 pg. 36
Just some observations. Now I await Omega's "scathing" spin.
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Mr. Lott is without doubt a Republican. How else would you explain his belief that the wealthy should be able to buy their way out of court?
The phrase "non sequitor" leaps to mind.
in the recent most case, the teacher would've had to have been in the bathroom to stop the shooting
The point isn't to keep ANYONE from getting shot. That's obviously impossible (assuming that the kid has the gun in the school to begin with). The point is to keep that number to a minimum. For example, if that police officer hadn't been in the school (with his gun), then the kid could have gone into the rest of the school and killed more people. Or he could have shot some of the wounded again, and killed them. Either way, that policeman saved lives by having his gun there.
As for Lott, have you even read his report, or are you just parroting? Again?
------------------ "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, co-operate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, [and] die gallantly. Specialisation is for insects." - Woodrow Wilson Smith
To be fair, I'm sure that drug smuggling is a lot easier than gun smuggling, due to the differences in size and stuff. You can't shove a semi-automatic up yer arse.
Well, you might. But I'd hate to use the toilet after you.
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