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LazyPsy: It was me, and I was not trying to excuse slavery by making it sound contained and not widespread. The current amount of worldwide slavery is totally unacceptable, as is exploiting children.
When you said "american standards" I just reacted since more than the US is slave free. But perhaps you meant that they think of the US as the standard that others should be compared to and aspire for?
I'm just trying to be clear on this, no intended yankbashing.
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News flash, Jeff: your opinion does not equate to fact.
I'm sorry if you don't see the difference of being imprisoned because of a crime you committed as opposed to becoming property because of the color of your skin.
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The reason people are placed in jail is because they have violated the law. Most people who take their time to violate the law are fully aware they are doing it and know the consequences. These consequences include the abridgement of a person's rights, if it is so deemed neccessary. In some states and some cases, the abridgement of ALL a person's rights, including that of life, is held neccessary as punishment.
A slave, in the sense of which we are speaking is "a human being who is owned as PROPERTY by another and is absolutely subject to his/her/their will." People in jail are NOT the "property" of the state. They are in confinement as punishment for a crime. If they are forced to do hard labor as part of their sentence, then so be it, their rights have been taken away because of the repercussions of their own actions.
**(Please understand, I do realize some people are wrongly incarcerated, but IMO, the majority are not.)
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"When you said "american standards" I just reacted since more than the US is slave free. But perhaps you meant that they think of the US as the standard that others should be compared to and aspire for?"
Oh lord no. I only said that because I thought people might pick me up and say that there are other countries in the world that don't have a problem with it. And I said American standards because this argument seems to be more about how the US treated slaves than how other countries did.
JeffK: Making blanket statements doesn't contribute to the conversation and helps no-one. You'd have a go if Omega did it.
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It's amazing, isn't it? I make an outrageous statement to say "What you said leads logically to this conclusion. This conclusion is silly.". Then, everyone starts acting like the silly conclusion is actually my opinion. Is everyone here just flame-happy, or what? They don't care what the excuse is, as long as they get to argue w/ someone.
I'll make my point as clear as I possibly can. If you still don't understand it afterward, I can't help you. I guess you'll just have to sit back and wait for brain transplant surgery to become feasible.
Jeff said "Slavery in any way, shape, or form is unnacceptable.". I'm pointing out that imprisonment is slavery. This can't be argued, really. By definition, it's true. However, I don't think Jeff or anyone else here will claim that imprisonment as punishment for crimes should be wholly stopped this instant. Therefore, slavery is acceptable in this particular way/shape/form. Thus, my point is that Jeff's original statement was false.
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I disagree that someone in jail is a slave. It's not a type of slavery at all. It's imprisonment. Look at Daniel's post, he says it quite well.
Essentially, someone who goes to jail goes through the due process of law. Arrest, trial by jury, a lawyer ...
Very few slaves (if any) got the same advantages.
------------------ Star Trek Gamma Quadrant Average Rated 8.32 out of 10 Smileys by Fabrux (with seven eps posted) *** "Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!" -Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001 *** "I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.
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