quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Oh something else I saw when looking through the 'extras' disc. The 'study model'? of The Oberth "U.S.S. Grissom" is labelled the Valiant!
I noticed that too. I'm pretty sure it was the actual studio miniature proper. I took it as proof that the Oberth in Generations was indeed labelled Valiant.
quote: In the US military, the rank of Lt. Colonel corrosponds to the rank of Commander, and the rank of Colonel to Captain. This is how Marine ranks translate to their Naval equivilants
So presumeably that would make Colonel West a Marine. Were there any uniform differences between him and a regular fleet officer?
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Since they hadn't had enough money for new uniforms, West wore the uniform of a Vice Admiral.
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It's not just how Marine ranks translate, it's also how Army and Air Force ranks translate as well. The nonmaritime services have one naming set for their ranks while the maritime utilize another.
Also, while the nonmaritime services don't have a rank of commander per se, those with commands in those services are still sometimes referred to as Commander, as in the commander of whatever unit they lead. Although referring to Colonel (Major at this point?) West in that sort of environment would be awfully confusing.
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quote:Originally posted by Dax: I noticed that too. I'm pretty sure it was the actual studio miniature proper. I took it as proof that the Oberth in Generations was indeed labelled Valiant.
I hope that wasn't the 'proof of the Generations Valiant reference. That is DEFINITELY NOT the filming miniature of the Grissom! The word Valiant is off to the side, not in the front of the ship. The details on the model are totally wrong, especially the two bluish crystals behind the saucer.
quote:Originally posted by Harry: Perhaps "Colonel" is a nickname given to West, just like Odo's called a "Constable".
He did seem to be head of Starfleet's commando division. It's not impossible that everyone calls him "Colonel" as nickname if he's in charge of the ground troops, and given that he wore a vice admiral's pin, he's almost certainly within the normal rank structure.
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Yes, I've just found the featurette on the DVD and that is definitely a study model and not the actual finished product.
So, was this the alleged studio model pic that people claimed must have been the ship in Generations? Because if it is, then they were totally wrong. And where'd they get the NCC-20000 from? There's no number on that prototype maquette.
Or did they later label the actual studio model Valiant with the NCC-20000 for GEN, and the fact that the name was also on the old STIII study is just a coincidence?
Someone who remembers actually seeing the ILM "Movie Magic" documentary, tell us please?
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Yeah, I had another look and that's not the final Oberth miniature after all. The first time I watched the featurette, on seeing the Valiant name I immediately connected it with the Generations story. Looks like that was a mistake.
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quote:Originally posted by Spike: Since they hadn't had enough money for new uniforms, West wore the uniform of a Vice Admiral.
it would have been so goddamn easy for them to either 1)give him a captain pin/uniform and call him 'colonel', establishing he was a starfleet marine of a rank equivalent to naval captain. 2)give him the admiral pin and uniform, and call him 'general', establishing he was a Starfleet marine of a rank equivalent to naval admiral.
just a thought.. Kirk got away with a grade reduction, in the years between TMP and TWOK, he commanded the Enterprise as an admiral, but was referred to as captain (probably more due to naval parlance, his position as ship's skipper).. perhaps this could hold true for Fleet infantry, calling a General 'Colonel' because he was taking charge of a force that would normally be commanded by a colonel? its a stretch.
made more difficult by the fact that Kirk went ahead and wore a captain's insignia in TMP, giving himself a grade reduction (and doing the same to Decker, down to commander).. BTW, another thought, why he thought it necessary to do that to Will? since in ST:V and VI Kirk was a Captain and his executive, Spock, was also a Captain.. I guess Kirk just liked picking on Decker and demoted him accordingly.
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quote: It's not just how Marine ranks translate, it's also how Army and Air Force ranks translate as well. The nonmaritime services have one naming set for their ranks while the maritime utilize another.
Well, they do in the US forces. The RAF have their own ranks; Lt. Col./Commander is equivilent to a Wing Commander.
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