Plus: Roy Schieder! A Russian ship design that would be ripped off endlessly on B5! What's not to love?
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Well, you also think Wrath of Khan is better than Star Trek: The Motion Picture...
In regards to the best science fiction films of all time, I think a listing of only 5 couldn't possibly cover it. 10 would be better, though still inadequate. I'd list 20 at least. And so, in chronological order:
Metropolis (1927) Frankenstein (1931) The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951) 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea (1954) Gojira (1954) 20 Million Miles to Earth (1957) Planet of the Apes (1968) 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) THX 1138 (1971)* Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977) Star Wars (1977) and sequels, particularly The Empire Strikes Back (1980)** Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979) Alien (1979) Blade Runner (1982) Back to the Future (1985) and sequels Jurassic Park (1993) Gattaca (1997) The Matrix (1999)*** Solaris (2002) Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (2004)
*The original version, not the one with all the cocked-up CGI in it.
**Ditto. Also, I would like to point out, as I have before, that SW is not truly science fiction in the strictest sense, but the same might be said of some others on there as well.
***Dear God, not the sequels!
GENERAL NOTE: As I said, this is a minimal listing. There are at least a dozen other great films I've seen that I could have put, but I had to draw the line somewhere. And yes, let it also be noted that I am limited to the films that I have actually seen, though I freely admit that I retain a shocking ignorance where some widely seen flicks are concerned. (The Terminator series, for example, which I hold no prejudice against but which I simply haven't gotten around to watching yet.)
Well, there you are.
-MMoM
[EDIT: I just realized that you were only talking about movies from the eighties. Which essentially means I've spent forever typing up this essentially off-topic post for essentially nothing. Thank you.]
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Back to The Future is in your Top 20 Sci-Fi movies?!?
Your credibility stands in smoking ruins.
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Nothing in particular, but it's also nothing I'd place anywhere near a top 20 list of Sci-Fi's best.
Hell, I'd place Last Starfighter in there before that one.
That's the problem with such lists- you'll always think of something better later.
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"Well, you also think Wrath of Khan is better than Star Trek: The Motion Picture..."
As does anyone who isn't missing the "immunity to fake and meaningless arthouse pretension" gene.
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How 'bout the gene for immunity to contrived, plot-hole-filled, standard mindless Hollywood action fare, with overblown literary references thrown in to create the illusion of intelligence?
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It's a submarine movie, MIM. Watch it that way, forget all about the "art of film" crap and just enjoy it.
ST:TMP has it's merity but it obviously a '70's movie half-heartedly [i]pretending[i] to be set in the future (McCoy's horrible outfit with the open shirt and gold chains is cringeworthy at the MST3K level).
The models and cinematography is amazing- just the plot and lacking acting (mostly on Decker and Iilea's parts) kills it.
Incidentally, I get to meet Andy Probert in May! He'll be at Wonderfest this year!
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: It's a submarine movie, MIM. Watch it that way, forget all about the "art of film" crap and just enjoy it.
Oh, I do. Don't make the mistake of thinking I don't. But I do cringe at people thinking this is Star Trek at its best. Again, not that it isn't good, but it's not at all introspective science fiction.
quote:ST:TMP has it's merity but it obviously a '70's movie half-heartedly pretending to be set in the future (McCoy's horrible outfit with the open shirt and gold chains is cringeworthy at the MST3K level).
Just like TOS in the 60s and TNG in the 80s. Big freakin' deal.
quote:The models and cinematography is amazing- just the plot and lacking acting (mostly on Decker and Iilea's parts) kills it.
Never found anything lacking about the plot (despite being very similar to "The Changeling" [TOS]) or acting. Part and parcel, one of an amazing number of Robert Wise masterpieces. It's cinematic, intelligent, thought-provoking, and exciting without resorting to space battles to hold it together.
There is very little Star Trek I have seen that I haven't enjoyed on one level or another, and TWOK is no exception. The characterizations are rich and the space battles are nifty, and just the fact that it was a direct follow-up to a great TOS episode is really cool. But there isn't anything cerebral or intellect-engaging about it. Good entertainment, not great cinema.
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It's mainly the complete lack of tension or urgency from all the crew -except Kirk- that V'Ger is comin' to town to make Earth disapear like it did with those Klingon ships.
That's mostly a directing problem though.
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quote:Never found anything lacking about the plot (despite being very similar to "The Changeling" [TOS])
"The Changeling," "Doomsday Machine," (interesting, since that episode features Decker's father) and TAS "One of Our Planets is Missing" (wherein Spock mind-melds with a giant cloud about to devour a Federation colony).
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TMP is nothing like either "The Doomsday Machine" or "One Of Our Planets Is Missing" except in the most superficial of senses. (i.e., yes some elements of the film are reminiscent of some elements of those episodes, but as a whole they are quite distinct.)
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