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I personally find it hard to accept everything we see on-screen as canon. Some of it is obviously contradictory or a outright mistake. Surely the Defiant (and other ships for that matter) can't really change size - but that's what we see in the show.
In the same way that "logic is the begining of wisdom", the screen is the begining of canon (or something like that, anyway)
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Jim Phelps
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Frank G: as usual, you conveniently forgot about all the 170m scenes I ever pointed out to you. I know you just wanna drive me mad , but it's enough, ok?
Dax: what if I were to say that the ships appear to change sizes because of optical distortions created when light passes through subspace fields? Again, it's a matter of depth.
Boris
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Or maybe a certain omnipotent being is being it all...
Q: *Grinning* No matter how stupid what I show them is, these fans still accept everything! Oh oh, what fools these mortals be...
Boris: On relation to the Defiant, there's no way to come up with a definite answer if we keep in mind the *what's on screen (no matter how stupid) is canon* law. So I say it's 120m. There, I said it. *goes into hiding before being bombarded* But please, tell me there's at least ONE thing shown on screen you don't consider canon... It's necessary for my sanity...
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The ship size thing was only one of many problems I could mention of what we see/hear in the show(s). A nitpicker could have a field day with the show(s).
Frank: The Defiant appeared much smaller than 120m in "Defiant" (compared to Galor) and "ST:FC" (compared to Ent-E), so there
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Well, in "The Way of the Warrior", compared to the Vor'cha (in the shot where the Defiant activates their modulated tractor beam), our little 120-metre wonder was... large.
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Frank: Why is it that you can ignore the scene in FC, but if anyone else tries to ignore something, you take up your canon battle cry?
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Jim Phelps
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Ok, we simply cannot have personal judgements here. Nothing should be ignored or accepted without a specific reason. FrankG: you think the Cardassians have size-changing tech; we need to ask ourselves, why give that ability to the Cardassians only and not to everyone, since it seems pointless to assume that the VFX crew would be altering sizes with Cardassian ships only.
Another thing is, you haven't scaled a Vor'Cha, but even David Stipes agrees that the ship is 460-480 meters long. There is, in fact, a greater disagreement on the Miranda, which the VFX crew sometimes scales at 150-170 meters, and yet a 245m Miranda comparison is used in your page. Doesn't matter that the ship reuses a Constitution hull and nacelles, we've seen examples of downscaling-the-identical before. The Constellation Class, in fact, reuses the Constitution nacelles at a lower scale.
Boris
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At least it wasn't 170m.
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