------------------ Photon torpedoes, once a finite supply, haven't been a problem since all those Wal-Marts opened up in the Delta Quadrant. -Jim Wright
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That first link doesn't seem to work, Black Knight. I even tried tacking that 1.jpg onto the end and it still didn't work.
That third pic is gold, though. We see the Defiant-class ship fire a beam that finishes the Warbird off (I'm ashamed I didn't notice this before). The location is extremely difficult to pick (even on the CIC tape) but it appears to be from the bottom and forward half of the ship. Maybe this is that shuttlebay phaser you mention in your site, Boris.
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The doubling of the forward and aft launchers can, in my opinion, be considered a legit interpretation of the canon, since the aft launcher cannot exist on Deck 4 without being split, while the forward launcher should preferably be doubled so as to balance the two aft launchers. The presence of so many launchers in addition to the weapons triangles would only serve to corroborate the modular function of the latter. This arrangement is rather similar to that of the Enterprise-E, which also has a twin forward and aft launcher in addition to a 'novelty-launcher' at the base of the saucer.
The beam phaser emmitters are rarely used, probably in cases where the Defiant's outstanding maneuverability is restricted for some reason, and with it, the direction in which the four pulse cannons can be pointed. Further applications might be in controlled shots intended to merely disable the enemy's vital systems, as well as the cases where a phaser is used for purposes other than combat, drilling, cutting, etc.
Whenever torpedos are fired, it is almost certain that they'll be the quantum type. It makes sense to assume that the weapons module launchers were primarily installed for this purpose, although they have been seen to fire a probe on one occassion.
Further questions: what is the proportion of qtorps and photorps on the Defiant? What are their respective effects? A number of remaining torpedoes was mentioned in a recent episode as well, don't remember what it was.
Also, does anybody keep track of the number of qtorps needed to disable a ship, the number of pulse-phaser shots needed to destroy a BoP, and similar? It might be interesting to have a look at that.
BTW, the SciPubTech Defiant poster was announced in the latest Magazine, and should be out soon. I expect it to be a mere rehashing of the DS9TM blueprints, mixed with a number of inconsistent specifications from the DS9TM text. Our only hope for something more decent lies in the fact that the artists are allowed to access some of the original production materials, and that they started work prior to the release of the DS9TM (that was a while ago, I still remember that 224m Defiant figure they probably delayed it in expectation of the book).
Boris
------------------ "Wrong again. Although we want to be scientifically accurate, we've found that selection of [Photon Energy Plasma Scientifically Inaccurate as a major Star Trek format error] usually indicates a preoccupation with science and gadgetry over people and story."
---a Writers' Test from the Original Series Writer's Guide
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Boris: Your take on the weapons config looks good to me.
Novelty-launcher? Good point, though.
I wonder why they didn't use a beam phaser on the comet in "Destiny". Anyway, the dorsal emitter certainly shows its worth in "PL" and those two Mirror Universe episodes.
We have only ever seen photorps fired from the aft launcher(s). This happens in "PL" and "Shattered Mirror". Are there other eps? The probe fired from the module was equipped with a quantorp warhead.
It is questionable how many quantorps those modules can carry. The modules are quite small. The quantorps could theoretically be stored in a nearby part of the ship.
I've never kept track of shots needed, but the qtorps and pulse phasers seem horribly powerful. One volley of direct fire seems to take down anything but the most powerful enemy ship. Those two Breen ships in "TCFoE" comes to mind, as well as that bug in "Favor the Bold".
The SciPubTech poster will likely look good but have inevitable errors. 224m??? From what part of hell did that figure come from? Wasn't 225ft the original intended length?
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Jim Phelps
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When I talked to them about the subject, months before the publication of the DS9TM, they said that the poster would be based on the standard Drexler MSD, which they received from the latter directly in the form of a file. One of the artists even quoted measurements in inches which gave them the 224m size given a 2m-tall human figure - I remember telling them that they must have gotten one of them slightly wrong, especially since the figure is off by pretty close to a factor of two. Let's see whether they've discovered the mistake by now...
BTW, I didn't know that there is an aft launch visible in the mirror episodes - is this where you get the centerline positioning from?
Also, do the mirror episodes give a more precise location for the bridge emitter? Is it the large circle surrounding the bridge, or the little detail circle on top of it?
Boris ------------------ "Wrong again. Although we want to be scientifically accurate, we've found that selection of [Photon Energy Plasma Scientifically Inaccurate as a major Star Trek format error] usually indicates a preoccupation with science and gadgetry over people and story."
---a Writers' Test from the Original Series Writer's Guide
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Boris: Like I said (wrote), the only two eps that I can recall seeing an aft torpedo fire is in "Paradise Lost" and "Shattered Mirror". I got the centre location from "PL" - trust me on this. I remember the "SM" torp coming from somewhere else - I'll have to go and watch it...
The dorsal phaser emitter is the small detail on top of the bridge.
Kosh: You have to cut and paste the links. If it still won't work then they're likely not there anymore.
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Jim Phelps
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Yeah...right!!
BTW, regarding your quote, why is everyone making fun of poor Sevun Imagine how she would feel if someone told her about Harry Kim chatting on the bridge "...and then she said, 'Remove your hand or I will remove your arm' (someone else): Ha, ha, ha, ha, thatsa good-one..."
I mean, she isn't Really that mean, as far as I can tell, she's constantly riding the line between Vulcan logic and inset fear. I liked her exchange with Neelix yesterday, about her being forced into change by Janeway. It throws a different light on the crew, in much the same way "Equinox II" did on Janeway.
Boris
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---a Writers' Test from the Original Series Writer's Guide
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OK, I've watched the battle in "SM". The location of the aft torpedo fire is hard to pinpoint (I'm sure they do it on purpose). If anything, it seems to come from the far rear of the ship ie Drexler's impulse engines.
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Jim Phelps
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Well, if the torpedo is actually coming from the centerline, then it's either three aft launchers, or we scrap the whole two-launcher thing and assume that the config is a forward and an aft launcher, plus the two quantum launchers. It's VFX+dialogue against MSD, while in my earlier config it was MSD vs. dialogue.
Boris
------------------ "Wrong again. Although we want to be scientifically accurate, we've found that selection of [Photon Energy Plasma Scientifically Inaccurate as a major Star Trek format error] usually indicates a preoccupation with science and gadgetry over people and story."
---a Writers' Test from the Original Series Writer's Guide
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Well, B. (stop me if I'm getting to Faithesque here) - I just thought the quote was hilarious - so 'Seven'.
Its true - Seven of Nine is just a girl deep down - I mean like - the age she was when she was assimilated.
I loved when in Dark Frontier she retorted to The Queen Borg - "I am Annika Hansen". No one I have talked to on the net has seem to have mentioned this point. That either was VERY tough for her to admit - or it was something deep down for Seven - that has been begging to come out on Voyager but - she - in her mind - has to keep the air of superiority about her - maybe to stay in control of herself!?! - Similar is the "Stop it your hurting me" line in "One" - Some powerful stuff.
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Boris: I would tend to go with the VFX+Dialogue. Either way, it doesn't really make any difference to the nose launcher (since there's only one launch location). "Way of the Warrior" certainly supports the single aft launcher theory.
The MSD does have some strange inconsistencies. I've noticed that both the forward and aft tractor emitters are in the wrong place. That torp conveyor running from the body to the nose is also a mystery. Maybe we shouldn't take the MSD so seriously. It could be perceived as a simple engineers aid or something.
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they probably delayed it in expectation of the book).
Good point, though.
Imagine how she would feel if someone told her about Harry Kim chatting on the bridge "...and then she said, 'Remove your hand or I will remove your arm' (someone else): Ha, ha, ha, ha, thatsa good-one..."
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