Amasov Prime
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I think the variable-geometry-issue grows to some sort of 'landing-debacle'. Since Voyager introduced it, every damn vessel in the fleet got the ability to land; look at the MSDs. Nova, Prometheus, Defiant, It's just strange E-E isn't able to land yet. So Voyager introduced the variable geometry nacelles. But that does not mean every ship from now on has them. Maybe those contuits are just that - conduits. Or Outdoor-Jeffries-tubes. Or some irrelevant spaceframe extensions. Or something else.
Okay, those could be variable geometry nacelles, there's no proof for either version of the story; but I don't see a reason why the ship should be able to move the nacelles. On the other hand I also never saw a reason for Intrepid's nacelles to be able to move their position. If the 'up'-position of the nacelles supports an optimized warpfield that does not damage subspace, they why do they have to lower them for impulse-flight? They don't need them, so it doesn't matter whether they are up or down.
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And is it just more or have we seen more than one official drawing of the Norway with the nacelles shown further back and forward?
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Didn't the "variable geometry" idea start out in the back of the TNGTM in regards to the Nova designs? Or am I imagining things again?
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Mark! You have!?! Well - I just avoid your posts Nah, must be just great minds...
Amazov WTF are you talking about?? The Variable Geometry was brought in to stop ripping up sub-space or something - not about letting ships land.
I agree - why down for impulse and up for WAR and nothing in-between!?! My guess is that the nacelles actually are in varying positions within that movement arc... it's just that 1. We don't notice the difference or 2. We're back to the 'totally upright' again - when we next see it.
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It always seemed to me quite reasonable to assume that Voyager's nacelles were constantly making micro-adjustments in their position all the way through a warp flight. There's no reason at all that we should notice them waving back and forth by a few centimeters, or even a few meters now and then.
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Considering that docking thrusters can't maneuver ships the way we've seen, and that the Laws of Physics prevent the forcefield theory some people had goin awhile back, ships must maneuver by some fashion other than we're aware of right now.
My guess is that they use a warp field even during impulse to change direction at sublight speeds. This is why the blue glue is their even when the ship is not at warp.
If this is the case, then slightly different principles might govern the warp field when it is at warp and when it is at impulse. These principles might say that one position is better for the nacelles below the threshold and one is better above it. Variable geometry might offer the best of both worlds.
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Not that again... There's nothing wrong with the laws of physics being used to turn/reverse the thrust. Never mind whether you can explain it or not, it is an integral part of today's aerospace technology. Why wouldn't it be part of tomorrow's? (Barring unforeseeable practical limitations, that is. Somebody from the 19th century would undoubtedly wonder why all the world's shipping hasn't moved to balloons and airships, or why we still aren't building cannon big enough to deliver payloads to the Moon... Perhaps thrust reversing, although entirely possible, isn't the best possible method from the 24th century point of view.)
That said, the impulse engines of most starships aren't ideally placed for maneuvering that would obey the laws of physics. It seems wholly plausible that some other, Trek-specific technologies are being used in addition to simple impulse thrust. For example, asymmetric subspace fields or artificial gravity or those nifty mass reduction gadgets would all be fine maneuvering tools...
Amasov Prime
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quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Amazov WTF are you talking about?? The Variable Geometry was brought in to stop ripping up sub-space or something - not about letting ships land.
Stop me! It's going all wrong! That was just a comparison. Every ship after Voyager got landing capability. And now we want to start assigning a variable geometry warp drive to every ship. There's no connection. Really. Just a comparison.
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quote:Originally posted by Dat: Dammit! Someone edit the link so the whole picture doesn't show up and then educate these people why they shouldn't be doing this!
Dat: Isn�t necessary to educate me. That was just a mistake (I believe that you already done this, right ?). As you can see in my other posts, never did that before. Regards,
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Nah, must be just great minds... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
The Variable Geometry was brought in to stop ripping up sub-space or something - not about letting ships land.![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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That was just a mistake (I believe that you already done this, right ?). As you can see in my other posts, never did that before.
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