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In Star Trek: A Continuing Mission they show the Reliant model labeled as USS Courageous NCC-1841. The caption reads that this is the model that was used in Cause and Effect. I have to look at the book again to get a direct quote.
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IIRC, the image in "The Continuing Mission" seems like a photocopy of a page from the good old "Ships of the Star Fleet", with some felt pen alterations sketched atop the image of an Endeavor-subclass ship in order to outline the changes that would be made to turn the Paramount studio model into the Bozeman. Not a final blueprint by any means.
Of course, there was no USS Courageous or NCC-1841 in "SotSF". Those details seem to have been edited into the picture by somebody who had more time and patience than the guy who did the felt-pen additions. Any idea who did this and why?
And yes, I'm in the distinct yet superior minority that thinks "1841" was the real registry, because 1941 was never truly seen onscreen. In theory, one could perhaps see the nacelle registries, but in practice this is impossible - they are well below the grain size of the image!
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Right. And thus the picture is indeed directly lifted from "SotSF", no registry meddling required.
For all the "SotSF" fans, 1841 would be free game, and indeed a nice place to insert some variants of the Avenger design into. Canon Trek has already given us NCC-1837 for that slot, and there's room for eight more ships there (including, say, USS Soyuz).
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the picture whoever did that used is of the USS Courageous NCC-1861. the pages of SotSF arent numbered, but its the fifth page of the Avenger-class chapter. The ship was shown to show the differences between the class ship, Avenger 1860 and the Courageous 1861, which was built to different specifications.
odd, because i think that the 1861 variant is different in shape than the Reliant studio model.. so they copied the wrong one! (i think) it still served its purpose, showing where the modelmakers were to put the additions.
and as to the screencap, in the Trek hull font the 8 looks a lot like a 9 anyway, si im still not sure what we are seeing until i rewatch some video.
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quote:Originally posted by Captain... Mike: and as to the screencap, in the Trek hull font the 8 looks a lot like a 9 anyway, si im still not sure what we are seeing until i rewatch some video.
I was jsut thinking the same thing. Sure, it looks like an 8 but it might really be a nine after all. No one's ever been quoted as confirming the second number, have they? (Jein, Okuda, etc...?)
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I'm positive it's an eight, but yes, the DVD of this episode may indeed tell a different story. For now, I'm sticking with the official registry for the Bozeman to be NCC 1941.
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Er, at the end of the episode, didn't the Bozeman fly from right to left (from our perspective), giving us a nice pan of the saucer section? Could anyone see the registry from that.
And yeah, for the registry font, an 8 looks just like a 9.
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In fact, I realised that I actually have "Cause And Effect" on tape. So, one quick check later, I can confidently say that yes, if you pause the tape just as the final shot of the episode starts, you can see, plain as day, the number "9" on the top of the Bozeman. It's very brief, but it's also a hell of a lot clearer than the shots of her underside. It can't be mistaken for an "8", in any way.
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quote:Originally posted by Dat: The model had also been used as the Brattain. The upper saucer was relabled with new name and number as was the rollbar.
Labelling the roll bar on the Brattain seems about as useful as labelling the deflector dish on said vessel.
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