quote:Originally posted by Austin Powers: I did not expect them to promote him at all. Why should they anyway?
And did they give every member of the TOS crew a starship after they made them captain? No. Only Sulu got the Excelsior.
Perhaps I just don't like the idea that this will be the last TNG movie. TNG only had 3 1/2. TOS had 6 1/2. I count Generations for both sides for obvious reasons.
Enterprise A was the most "top-heavy" ship in the feet as far as command goes! If you served on the "A", you'd have to be a repair technician to ever see duty on the bridge.
Ever think folks snickered behind Checkov's back at the fact that he was still navagating (or whatever) as a commander, while that task falls to ensigns on other starships?
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can i say in my defence that, since i recognized that this was a Tech Spoiler thread, that i withheld specifics but simply said that i knew of a Plot Spoiler that could explain what we were discussing?
my vague sentence said only that there was a spoiler event.. anything else you surmised from that is your own damn imagination.
play with $$$ and get burned. life lessons.
besides, the promotions department explanation for this 'final' bullshite could just be that the crew is splitting up because riker's going to his own ship... thereby splitting up the crew and making this their 'final voyage'.
BTW, anyone read the Reeves-Stevens' stuff about Chekov worknig up to C-in-C of Starfleet in the early 23rd century? last laugh stuff, right there
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Ok enough about spoilers (just that maybe if something has the potential to be a bigger spoiler than the topic alludes to - maybe a few extra lines warning?
I need spoiler space for my brain!
What's that about Chekov-in-Charge? And don't you mean the early 24th century?
Chekov-in-Charge - a Charles-in-Charge remake for the 24th Century!
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Enterprise A was the most "top-heavy" ship in the feet as far as command goes!
Actually, she was probably the closest to being realistic. The vessel in the U.S. Navy that comes closest to the level of importance of the E-A is the aircraft carrier. On a carrier, the CO, the XO, the chief medical officer, the chief engineer, and the commander of the air group are all usually of O-6 (captain) rank. This is one reason why I thought Riker shouldn't have been demoted back to commander after the end of BOBW. BTW, I always thought it was interesting that of the three captains aboard the E-A, Kirk was lowest in terms of seniority, and yet he was the skipper of the ship.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Enterprise A was the most "top-heavy" ship in the feet as far as command goes!
Actually, she was probably the closest to being realistic. The vessel in the U.S. Navy that comes closest to the level of importance of the E-A is the aircraft carrier. On a carrier, the CO, the XO, the chief medical officer, the chief engineer, and the commander of the air group are all usually of O-6 (captain) rank. This is one reason why I thought Riker shouldn't have been demoted back to commander after the end of BOBW. BTW, I always thought it was interesting that of the three captains aboard the E-A, Kirk was lowest in terms of seniority, and yet he was the skipper of the ship.
the rank system doesn't seem to work quite the same in star trek as it does in the US Navy. if one is in the command division, one gets a command of some sort at captain (or before). i don't think that 2 command captains (regardless of seniority differences) would be allowed to serve on the same crew. one can get a command before the rank of captain, but a captain always gets a command (whether it be a space station or starship). that's my interpretation.
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The Romulan Rifle was always a Romulan rifle; I believe it was first seen as such in "The Die Is Cast". Quark et. al. use them in "The Magnificent Ferengi" some years later - I had figured that they merely purchased some surplus/contraband Romulan weaponry. The pistol Quark is often seen using is also not Ferengi, but originally seen as a Vulcan phaser in "The Maquis" (I think). I don't believe the funky Ferengi phaser from TNG was ever seen on DS9...
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Enterprise A was the most "top-heavy" ship in the feet as far as command goes!
Actually, she was probably the closest to being realistic. The vessel in the U.S. Navy that comes closest to the level of importance of the E-A is the aircraft carrier. On a carrier, the CO, the XO, the chief medical officer, the chief engineer, and the commander of the air group are all usually of O-6 (captain) rank. This is one reason why I thought Riker shouldn't have been demoted back to commander after the end of BOBW. BTW, I always thought it was interesting that of the three captains aboard the E-A, Kirk was lowest in terms of seniority, and yet he was the skipper of the ship.
the rank system doesn't seem to work quite the same in star trek as it does in the US Navy. if one is in the command division, one gets a command of some sort at captain (or before). i don't think that 2 command captains (regardless of seniority differences) would be allowed to serve on the same crew. one can get a command before the rank of captain, but a captain always gets a command (whether it be a space station or starship). that's my interpretation.
There seems to be only one captain allowed per vessel, but there may be several commanders on a Galaxy class starship (mabye one per division: science, astrometrics, etc.) with all commanders accountable to the First Officer. ....also, Lt. Commanders often have their rank shortened to "commander" for ease of speach (like when dressing down Worf).
My take on it: Department heads (possibly some commanders)report directly to the First Officer or XO The First Officer reports to the Captain. The Captain reports to the Admariialty (with alot of leeway) Admarilty reports to either a Joint Chiefs or President The President is answerable to the Federation Council
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very observant.
also, an aircraft carrier has a complement several times that of the 1701-A.. the more people you have aboard, the higher thae rank of the person in charge. smaller ships might be commanded by lieutenants or commanders, but captains command most starfleet vessels. id think only ships with galaxy sizes would have more than one captain as part of the standard complement. obviously the 1701-A was a special case.
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On the other hand, before there were "hand phasers" there were "phaser pistols," so it could have just been the fault of someone who doesn't watch Enterprise (not that I can blame them). And besides the present phaser is now so curvy it's virtually a pistol anyway.
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