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Okay, remember the Saratoga exploded because they were faced with a warp core breach. Also, no Miranda was ever sighted in the wreckage in BOBW2, so might as well have it explode completely in Emissary.
And The Valkyrie was seen in Redemption pt. 2 as one of the ships in Picard's task force.
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There is a lot of debris much further away - no this is using my imagination what if the Bellerophon, Melbourne (Excelsior version) Saratoga and Bonestell - are much much further away like a couple of thousand km... attacking the borg cube from another angle. That allows us not to have seen them in BOBW, but also be able to have not seen the BOBW ships in Emissary.
Andrew
P.S. I would have liked to have seen a Dominion War battle take place through out an entire star system - not ALWAYS bunched up like they were... I reckon 3-4 starships head to head playing hide and seek with in a Starsystem - would be quite enjoyable - somewhat like the Mutara Sector battle between the Enterprise and the Reliant.
Andrew
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Okay, the latest from Okuda (he is NOT pissed off yet, but instead volunteers info with enthusiasm!)...
Breakthrough: he has found photos. He's not releasing them, hinting at a possible future publication project, but he's giving descriptions. The dorsal/ventral nacelle ship gets accurate now: she's USS Buran of Challenger class after all, with Galaxy nacelles mounted on pylons made of submarine conning towers (apparently, Mike and Rick bought sub kits among other stuff to help the modelmakers create enough ships, and Rick did the Mars Defence Perimeter ships out of those while Okuda modified Miarecki's model).
So the Challenger does exist. I guess this means that the "middle ship" that once was "Challenger" but also a possible "Chekov" or "Excelsior study model 2" turns out to have been the Challenger all the time - but looking nothing like the initial descriptions of that class. While Okuda hasn't explicitly said (and probably couldn't vow) that there wasn't a Constellation-lookalike kitbash, he has now established that
1) the aim of the kitbashing was to create sister designs for Galaxy and 2) the Buran was not a Constellation sister.
The Princeton class Chekov exists, too, but she sounds like a more conventional config. There's not much to go by yet, but the Galaxy-saucered ship has just two nacelles made of marker pens (perhaps similar to the Cheyenne ones?). Waiting for the next message to hear more on Chekov.
So the vertical three-naceller begins to look more and more like Niagara. And the Tolstoy/Rigel is very probably a non-ship - Okuda says he labeled all the kitbashes with full names and registries, and didn't do a Tolstoy (since that name only became necessary with the postproduction line change).
I'm forwarding Okuda's messages to TSN from now on, if people want to read actual transcripts. IMHO, it would be best to wait for "v.3.41+" of each reply instead of commenting on "v.1.0", given how the replies get so much better with age...
And despite some pessimism (shame on you, targetemployee! ), it begins to look as if the project can be finished after all. We only need to get the three-nacellers straight now (and wait for the possible book by Okuda).
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Did he mention if he was still able to take a pic of that four nacelled excelsior study model? and both sides of the cheyenne ?
THANKYOU MIKE! If he does plan a book - he's got at least 3 buyers in Australia right now
Andrew
PS - I wonder what happened to all those Ferengi models they built - they didn't even use one Marauder in DS9... wasn't there like three models?
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I'll buy four of those books so that I can "kitbash" the missing ships with scissors and glue...
No, Okuda didn't say in the latest message whether he had taken pics of the four-naceller. I think he will, ASAP (it's in his office, after all), but it's also likely that he won't send them over if he's serious about that book project. Also, he hasn't told yet which of the "BoBW" photos he has found beyond the Buran and Chekov ones. I'm hoping for a new Cheyenne picture, too.
I would have liked to see a big Ferengi ship in DS9, too. Voyager isn't likely to show any, and the models probably aren't good enough for movie projects. Should we write to Paramount to have them make the fifth spinoff a Ferengi-centered show?
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For a second, I also thought it could be the Cheyenne (which wouldn't make much sense, for the NO is supposed to be exactly there, as we know from the viewscreen scene). Now I am sure it is the NO. Since the pylons are attached above the engineering hull, it is possible that the latter is shaded.
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I believe the Constitution saucer from STIII is the unidentified wreckage we see in the very first scene, that's real close up. The saucer then moves left and we can see a dislodged nacelle behind it as well.
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Yeah, but I am saying the saucer is Constitution
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I believe that was just a piece of junk that Greg Jein put together. Since Okud says the Constitution piece was left over from the movies, it was probably pretty detailed. This would explain the presence of that Consti. secondary hull. Since Okuda's memory of all this stuff isn't terribly accurate in and of itself, I can understand why he might have thought it was the saucer.
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I'm almost embarrassed to admit it, but there's a rather thrilling aspect to all this, isn't there?
And I am now sure that I must work in Hollywood, soul-sucking destroyer of all things or not. Locutus wandering around the office trying to make copies? You just don't get that sort of thing around here.
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what if the Bellerophon, Melbourne (Excelsior version) Saratoga and Bonestell - are much much further away like a couple of thousand km... attacking the borg cube from another angle. That allows us not to have seen them in BOBW, but also be able to have not seen the BOBW ships in Emissary.
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