quote:Not that crappy Voyager ever mentioned the field at all anyway.
Doesn't it seem reasonable that Starfleet also managed to adapt? By analyzing the sensor logs from the Enterprise, they could've found a way to neutralize/bypass/destroy the subspace field.
And regarding the Oberths... dang, I wish I'd thought of that! Jason's right, the only two Oberths we've seen survive were the ones that were assigned to simple, boring courier/supply/transport duty -- the Cochrane, which took Bashir and Dax to DS9, and the Biko, which took supplies to the Enterprise-D. Every single other ship was destroyed on screen! No wonder the Oberths have a lousy reputation!
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To recap, so we don't have to scramble for our personal lists...
Confirmed: Ahwahnee (NCC-7[1/3]620, Cheyenne-class) Beller[e/o]phon (NCC-62048, Nebula-class) Bonestell (NCC-31600, Oberth-class) Buran (NCC-57580, Challenger-class) Chekov (NCC-57302, Springfield-class) Firebrand (NCC-68723, Freedom-class) Kyushu (NCC-65491, New Orleans-class) Melbourne (NCC-62043, Nebula-class*) Melbourne (NCC-62043, Excelsior-class*) Princeton (NCC-59804, Niagara-class) Saratoga (NCC-31911, Miranda-class) Yamaguchi (NCC-26510, Ambassador-class) Liberator (NCC-67016, class unknown**) [unnamed] (no registry visible, Enterprise-class***) [unnamed] (Star Trek: Phase II Enterprise study model) [unnamed] (Star Trek: Phase II Enterprise study model) [unnamed] (Star Trek III Excelsior study model) [unnamed] (Star Trek III Excelsior study model)
Present in dialogue or drafts, but no model: Gage (NCC-11672, Apollo-class�) Roosevelt (NCC-2573, Excelsior-class�) Tolstoy (NCC-62095, Rigel-class�) [unnamed] (no registry, Galaxy-class)
* The Melbourne mess is legendary -- I don't think I need to elaborate here... ** In case it's been forgotten, a shuttle with this name and registry was present in the flotsam... *** To aid newcomers, I don't subscribe to Okudaic revisionism for the class of the movie Enterprise... � As no models exist (so far as I know) for these classes, they may be one of the background study models referenced in the 'Confirmed' list... � To presumably represent this ship in the Voyager episode "Unity", they reused footage of the Excelsior-Melbourne getting hit...
So, between 19 and 21 known ships. We're about halfway there. That about sum it up?
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Well what happened to the Pegasus could have happened to the Enterprise-D or any other vessel, except for Voyager because the reset button would have kicked in.
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quote:Not that crappy Voyager ever mentioned the field at all anyway.
Doesn't it seem reasonable that Starfleet also managed to adapt? By analyzing the sensor logs from the Enterprise, they could've found a way to neutralize/bypass/destroy the subspace field.
Except that Voyager was lost prior to First Contact, so they should have had no way of either knowing the trick around the Subspace Field or no way of knowing if the technique worked .
quote: And regarding the Oberths... dang, I wish I'd thought of that! Jason's right, the only two Oberths we've seen survive were the ones that were assigned to simple, boring courier/supply/transport duty -- the Cochrane, which took Bashir and Dax to DS9, and the Biko, which took supplies to the Enterprise-D. Every single other ship was destroyed on screen! No wonder the Oberths have a lousy reputation!
Plus the shp from the last 30 seconds of Generations....although that might have had a warp core breech shortly after.
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quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: *** To aid newcomers, I don't subscribe to Okudaic revisionism for the class of the movie Enterprise...
I say AMEN to that, brother! I'm with you.
A second amen with that. With the Melbourne inconsistency, the Excelsior's name and registry was seen, while the Proto-Nebula was not. So I am inclined to go with the Excelsior and make the Proto-Nebula a weapons pathfinder vessel from UPFY or make it a Rigel Class.
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The Nebula testbed is the USS John Melbourne. Named for the first president of Unified Mars. The Excelsior class USS Melbourne is named for the city. The End.
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quote:Not that crappy Voyager ever mentioned the field at all anyway.
Doesn't it seem reasonable that Starfleet also managed to adapt? By analyzing the sensor logs from the Enterprise, they could've found a way to neutralize/bypass/destroy the subspace field.
Except that Voyager was lost prior to First Contact, so they should have had no way of either knowing the trick around the Subspace Field or no way of knowing if the technique worked .
Well, obviously Starfleet kept conducting some research after BOBW, even if they were dumb enough to dump the Defiant development project.
Besides, the Enterprise-D found that their preliminary countermeasures of the subspace field didn't work in "Descent," and then Starfleet was able to redo their research again based on that next encounter. And Voyager was fortunate enough to find that it worked.
(However... actually, it occurs to me that Voyager never had a direct armed confrontation with the Borg until after Seven came on board. That means that it can all be attributed to Seven's assistance in understanding Borg tech.)
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: The Nebula testbed is the USS John Melbourne. Named for the first president of Unified Mars. The Excelsior class USS Melbourne is named for the city. The End.
Personally I like to think of the proto-Neb as the U.S.S. Liberator, but that's just me.
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thats an ok theory but the registries still suck
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btw, hasty screengrabs ive been putting off for days cuz of other fucking things
notice they used one of their video monitors to add the distortion.. the timestamp is visible in several frames but not to the naked eye.. looks like the battle bridge, except with an extra panel/greebly looking thing behind JP
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Re-posting the relevant pic of the E-D BB for better comparison...
It's certainly the same set - something we'd not considered before. The "red alert" graphic was simply displayed on the TV monitor in the upper left from where Riker is, and the lower one was off. The "greeblie" you're talking about is probably just one of the consoles flanking the CO chair, which we've seen. Does anyone have a wider shot of the BB?
Okay, so one more point towards Hanson being on a GCS battle bridge - plus it makes sense to direct the battle from there as the ship's CO was upstairs. Add the intention of the script, and circumstantially speaking it's fair to conclude that there PROBABLY WAS a GCS at Wolf 359. Well done! Granted, given the modularity of bridge designs we've mostly come to accept in Trek, it could REALLY be just about any ship anyway...
BTW, it seems that to create the shot all they did was project the Hanson footage onto a regular screen and reshoot THAT while they were playing with the tracking or h. hold, and then using THAT footage as the transmission.
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my mistake.. the panels i called greebly are actually behind riker too.. i just hadnt remembered the texturing of them from the other cap.
i remember noticing in BOBW it was one of the first uses of the monitors that could be filmed.. prior TNG seasons relied heavily on graphics that were matted in because there were no playback monitors without scanlines a camera would percieve, but the new ones could display computer animation in realtime.. theyd see heavy use in the runabout and DS9 ops sets but BOBW seems one of the earliest uses
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Well... I'm officially in the "Hanson was on a GCS" camp now.
One question: Is the Ent Battle Bridge set that we see Riker on the same BB set they had in previous uses? It doesn't seem to be. The aft part of the set seems different from the way it was in EaFP
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Well, it'd been about the first time they'd used it in two years, they probably put it back together differently.
So, after all the times the whole intercheangeable-bridge-module thing has been trotted out, now everyone is just going to ignore that and say this style of bridge could only ever appear on a GCS? Nope, I don't buy it.
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